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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Most of the players I've heard on this issue thought he was a lousy coach, and nothing from his tenure as the HC of the NYJ seems to run counter to that.
He's had more than a decade to get better, since, and he's been fortunate enough to be able to take advantage of his knowledge of college players. It'll be interesting to see how his drafts fair starting in another year or so, when his inside draft information is no longer there.
Joker has had a LOT of caffeine today!
youngsters, please stay off his lawn!
yeah...I apologize for the rude remarks, Carroll's stint here was the death knell of my 20 + years of season ticket seats in Section 206. We were a dedicated, diehard, every game no matter what crew back then. Rough, tough, edgy Pats fans that would give you the shirt off their backs ,proverbially, as long as YOU hung in through thick or thin. I posted some of the memories from season's lost that still echo with the laughs and camaraderie. Sitting there soaked and frozen,voices hoarse, for every single agonizing minute of losses that would break most fanbases in half. Man, it was glorious.
Carroll was an embarrassment to us. His whole aw shucks, surfer boy, laid back let's all sing kumbaya act wore off fast.He has found his niche in Seattle and I applaud him for that. He's a very good coach today. I just will never say he was anything other than a failure here.
Most of the players I've heard on this issue thought he was a lousy coach, and nothing from his tenure as the HC of the NYJ seems to run counter to that.
He's had more than a decade to get better, since, and he's been fortunate enough to be able to take advantage of his knowledge of college players. It'll be interesting to see how his drafts fair starting in another year or so, when his inside draft information is no longer there.
Obviously the Pats did quite well for themselves in the coaching department after PC left but was Pete that bad? I don't think he was...I know a lot of people would say he was soft when he was here but it's hard for me to blame the Pats late 90's decline on him rather than the catastrophic draft misses that hurt the roster.
He did win the AFC East once, then made the playoffs as a WC (Scott Zolak started the playoff game that year and the results were predictable) and would have make it a third time if the team didn't stumble after a hot start...
Then again, I can't picture say, Brady diving from a stage and him and Mankins in a mosh pit these days with the coach we have now.
Not to undervalue Carroll but I think he receives credit for things that John Schneider has done.
Since John Schneider became GM Seattle has drafted:Signed/Acquired via Trade:
- Russell Wilson
- Richard Sherman
- Bobby Wagner
- Bruce Irvin
- Jeremy Lane
- James Carpenter
- Byron Maxwell
- K. J. Wright
- Russell Okung
- Earl Thomas
- Walter Thurmond III
- Golden Tate
Pete Carroll praises John Schneider for drafting Russell Wilson | ProFootballTalk
- Marshawn Lynch
- Brandon Browner
- Michael Bennett
- Cliff Avril
- D. Baldwin
- Percy Harvin
- Chris Clemons
Carroll has done a great job but his GM gave him the pieces, if I remember the biggest issue with Carroll was his personnel decisions during his tenure here.
Clearly, Pete Carroll was not put in a position to be successful with the Pats. Right out of the gate he tried to cut a marginal player for not being in shape only to be overruled by the front office. I can't remember the players name, but I believe he was a defensive lineman.
Despite that Pete is his own worst enemy. Not only has he proven to be a fraud with his cheating at USC and Seattle, I can't stand his shtick. He is not a leader and the players tuned him out. The real reason I hate him as the coach of the Patriots is that he ruined Bledsoe's career. He enabled Drew's gunslinger mentality and put the teams success on his shoulders. After Pete was fired Bledsoe was never able to adopt a team first offense when Belichick took control.
He was a good coach. They made the playoffs every year. I don't think he was as good a coach as he is now, though.
That season looked so promising. The Pats started out 4-0 then went 6-2, and proceeded to tank after the bye.
I have real mixed feelings about Pete's tenure here. I actually liked his "pumped and jacked" routine, and the way he went toe-to-toe with Borges. I also agree with those who don't think he got the front-office support he needed. But it could also be that he just needed time to come into his own, which appears to be the case now in Seattle.
Yeah Carroll was like a deer caught in headlights and Borges came off really more as a bully than anything else.Agree on the last sentence. Cleveland fans might say the same about Belichick.
On the Borges bit: I don't remember it as going toe-to-toe as much as Borges b-slapping Carroll andCarroll not knowing how to respond. Borges was flashing his jerk cred even then, and Carroll never knew what hit him. And some people wonder why BB is so reticent with the media.
I worried that Media Day made Lynch a basket case.On offense, I'm hoping Lynch gets off and controls the game tempo.
Agree on the last sentence. Cleveland fans might say the same about Belichick.
On the Borges bit: I don't remember it as going toe-to-toe as much as Borges b-slapping Carroll andCarroll not knowing how to respond. Borges was flashing his jerk cred even then, and Carroll never knew what hit him. And some people wonder why BB is so reticent with the media.
Two other quick-response memories on Carroll:
- Tebucky, press corner, media mockery.
- Injuries. There was always a big to-do about all the injuries during the Carroll tenure. Lots of fingers pointed at Carroll and — was it Parker? The strength coach? Anyway, pretty intense point in the media. Of course Carroll never had a year like this year's Pats, injury-wise.