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Correction: In the past ten years, beginning in 2001, the Patriots have missed the playoffs twice. Once at 9-7 and once at 11-5. That luck thing is even worse than you wrote!
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The Patriots will be a slightly above average team at best in 2010.
9-7 at the very highest.
They gave up a total of 96 points in the 4th last season. 21 of those in a meaningless game to Houston, so that leaves 75 points. 21 more in that Colts abomination, where the offense failed to (officially, anyway) get two yards. But that's still a meltdown, of course.
That leaves 54 points over the remaining 14 games, which is just under 4 points per 4th quarter. If I remember correctly, they didn't allow more than 7 points in the 4th in any of those games, either. More often than not, that defense was on the field for most of the 4th quarter, because that Pats second-half offense was horrendous.
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The Patriots will be a slightly above average team at best in 2010.
9-7 at the very highest.
I stand corrected, then.
In the meantime, those three losses -- Houston, Indy and Miami -- do show that two of those three had 4th quarter defensive meltdowns or being outfoxed strategically.
The Miami game was only 3 points in the 4th put up by the Fins.
In sum, the D couldn't hold in the 4th quarter of 2 of those losses. The O pooped away the game against Miami in the 4th.
The 2009 Patriots HAD THE LEAD entering the 4th quarter in 4 of their 6 losses (Denver, Indy, Miami, Houston). That is just plain pathetic and very uncharacteristic of a BB team.
Coaching and poor strategy.
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The Patriots will be a slightly above average team at best in 2010.
9-7 at the very highest.
This part that I agree with. Not counting 2007, we all know the drafts from 2004-2008 have been overall bad. The Pats tried to upgrade positions of need, it's just they ended up taking the wrong players. It happens, but it's one of the big reasons why the Pats haven't won a super bowl since 2004.Greenberg said he thinks that Belichick is the best coach in the NFL but year after year he stockpiles picks and never makes any high picks and wonders if he doesn't know what he is doing.
Jets fans have been saying for years the Pats are cooked and it is the Jets turn to rise. Jets fans are like ESPN talking heads. Lots of words and never an admission they are wrong, even though they are wrong year after year after year.Quote me:
The Patriots will be a slightly above average team at best in 2010.
9-7 at the very highest.
This part that I agree with. Not counting 2007, we all know the drafts from 2004-2008 have been overall bad.
I guess we can agree somewhat with this draft. However, Hobbs wasn't very good at the other CB spot but a great returner. Kaczur has started but has been the weak link every year. Ditto with Sanders. Cassel had one good year with the Pats which I will always appreciate because they could've easily ended up 5-11.I disagree with this assessment at least for 2005:
2005 Draft:
Logan Mankins 1st round (a top 3-5 guard in this league)
Ellis Hobbs 3rd round (decent #2 CB and great kick returner)
Nick Kazcur 3rd round (multiple year starter at RT)
James Sanders 4th round (Started at safety, great pick at spot).
Matt Cassel 7th rounder (Started all of 2008 and netted the Pats a high second rounder in trade)
I guess we can agree somewhat with this draft. However, Hobbs wasn't very good at the other CB spot but a great returner. Kaczur has started but has been the weak link every year. Ditto with Sanders. Cassel had one good year with the Pats which I will always appreciate because they could've easily ended up 5-11.
But remember, I'm talking about overall (2004-2008).
LOL. All this 8-8 talk will be dismissed by the end of week 2. A typical beatdown of gang green on their on turf will drive that point home. I wouldnt worry. Greenie pretty much has no idea what he's talking about. Jets fans all know that.
First, when you get four starters out of a draft (five if you count Cassel) and turn a seventh round pick into a high second, you had a good draft. Hobbs, Sanders, and Kazcur were all starters on a team that went 18-1.
Second, you have to look at where a player is picked. A fourth rounder who starts for any significant time is a good pick up. Successful fourth rounders are borderline solid role players to decent starters. Cassel was one of the better draft picks the Pats have had in the Belichick era. He won the Pats 11 games and netted them a high second rounder in trade. If he was a high draft pick, I would say he was a bad pick. As a seventh rounder, Cassel was a grand slam home run pick.
Third, I still don't think people give Ellis Hobbs enough credit. The guy played hurt and was a tough SOB. His play was better than people gave him credit for. He was just one of those targets for fans on this board where every mistake was magnified and every good play was ignored.
Sorry, four starters out of a draft is a good draft no matter how you want to spin it. This will be my last word on the subject though since I don't want to highjack this thread and turn it into a 2005 draft thread. Feel free to have the final word.
the jets are weaker at RB,OL,DL.
they have improved at WR,DB(although revis holding out hurts alot)
their offseason moves have really done nothing to fix their weaknesses the biggest one being the entire passing game away from revis (teams can throw at will to their TE's as well as their secondary targets.
I also believe if they go blitz-happy again, that their LB group will wear down and suffer some injuries that will cause the entire defense to fall apart by the time the leaves are cold.
Do you (or anyone else) think that the Jests have gotten weaker at RB with Shonn Greene and LT.........than having Jones and Washington (and some greene filled in)?? I for one do not........I think Greene looked good towards end of last year....and the Jest OL is very good in run blocking. I don't see them missing a beat here this year to be honest. I hate their friggin guts and their piece of dog sh#t coach......but they are going to be tough to beat I think........Alot hinges on Sanchez though....and I could see him f'ing up alot if they take the conservative wraps off him.....
Do you (or anyone else) think that the Jests have gotten weaker at RB with Shonn Greene and LT.........than having Jones and Washington (and some greene filled in)?? I for one do not........I think Greene looked good towards end of last year....and the Jest OL is very good in run blocking. I don't see them missing a beat here this year to be honest. I hate their friggin guts and their piece of dog sh#t coach......but they are going to be tough to beat I think........Alot hinges on Sanchez though....and I could see him f'ing up alot if they take the conservative wraps off him.....