Aaron Dobson - underestimated even as a rookie?

[Snake Eyes]

What it really shows is that it's difficult to project how any wide receiver will fit into the Patriots offense. Torry Holt wasn't a dummy, yet he couldn't do it

Holt was old and had nothing left in the tank.

 

[grux]

I've generally defended the Patriots WR drafting as having been within acceptable bounds given the location of the draft picks. How the two current draftees pan out will go a long way towards shifting the "BB can't draft WRs" argument one way or the other.




What it really shows is that it's difficult to project how any wide receiver will fit into the Patriots offense. Torry Holt wasn't a dummy, yet he couldn't do it, whlile Reche Caldwell is a dumbass who succeeded in the offense.



Gronk is not a WR, Jenkins sucks and Amendola can't stay healthy. If the rookies don't pan out, the Patriots will likely have the worst WRs in the NFL. when you consider what this WR group could have been, the current makeup of the group should be unacceptable to every Patriots fan, and anyone who defends BB on the WR issue is really doing nothing more but disqualifying themself as an honest evaluator.

There's no "hope" that BB got it right. He clearly screwed the pooch on this, big time. The hope is that he gets likely despite his multiple WR screwups this offseason.

WAAAY to early to say BB didn't get it right.
2012 Stats
Amendola had 63/666/3 in 11 games.
Jenkins was 40/449/2 td's.
Welker 118 1354 6 tds
Lloyd 74/911 4 tds

I could see a healthy Amendola having 90/1000 and Jenkins 40/450. That leaves 62 balls and 818 yards for Boyce, Dobson, Verren or a player to be named latter. If they don't make up the difference our offense might drop to top 10 in the league. Not a big deal. Like the previous poster stated our defense is going to be much improved.

 

[Rob0729]

Holt was old and had nothing left in the tank.

Yeah, I don't know why people put Holt in the "couldn't pick up the offense" column. The Pats IRed Holt in Mid-August because of a knee problem and released him shortly after. Holt had surgery on his knee and never played in the NFL again.

We have no idea if he couldn't pick up the offense or whether he would have picked it up as fast as Welker or Moss.

Joey Galloway was a veteran couldn't pick it up, but word was he didn't want to put in the work to pick it up.

BTW< Branch, Hernandez, and Gronk all came into the system as rookies and picked it up quickly. Granted Hernandez and Gronk are TEs, but they both were used in many ways.

 

[Rob0729]

How do you know Danny Amendola won't be healthy this year? Poor Danny, way to believe in the guy. I'm 100% behind each catch that he makes this year being a contribution to charity towards the Boston Marathon victims. And does respectable Jenkins suck? Or maybe the quarterbacks that he hasn't had the pleasure of playing with? And Gronk is not a wide receiver, but he impacts of game as much if not more then the best wide receiver in the NFL. And you want to talk about spoiled, the group being unacceptable, and there is no hope for BB getting it right? Really? Thank God the personnel decision making are up to the Coach and staff, which allowed us a decade in a row of winning seasons and Championship runs. I'm pretty sure he is a better judge at talent then we are. As we've soon far worse talent then what we have this year. Think back to 2006.

I wonder how much Amedola's injuries were due to bad QB. As a slot receiver, a bad QB or throw can really get him killed. Were any of Amedola's injuries because a QB threw a bad ball that left Amedola open for a big hit as he caught the ball. That is when a WR is most vulnerable to injuries. Having Brady rather than the smorgasbord of QBs the Rams had during Amedola's tenure there should avoid those type of injuries.

 

[Brady6]

You're joking ..... right?

You do or don't think so?


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[Deus Irae]

WAAAY to early to say BB didn't get it right.

No, it's not. According to Kraft, Welker was the #1 target and they let him get away over money they had plenty of. The Welker grade is already out, and it's an "F".

 

[Deus Irae]

Holt was old and had nothing left in the tank.

Holt was a smart player who couldn't make the team. He's not the only one, but he was a recent example. Again, for all the "not smart enough" arguments that people like to make, Caldwell was a relative success despite being an idiot. There's just not a certain formula to determine who's going to be a success as a Patriots WR and who's going to be a failure.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

it will take this kid a few years to get the system. he won't be a 1000 yard receiver next year, which sucks because the team has really no one else at WR other than Amendola (if he's even healthy).

What do you base this on? It seems like pure speculation. At this point we have no idea how he will do. Let's see how training camp and pre-season goes.

 

[Rob0729]

Holt was a smart player who couldn't make the team. He's not the only one, but he was a recent example. Again, for all the "not smart enough" arguments that people like to make, Caldwell was a relative success despite being an idiot. There's just not a certain formula to determine who's going to be a success as a Patriots WR and who's going to be a failure.

Holt had a knee injury that basically ended his career. He was placed on IR on August 15th and given an injury settlement on August 17th. He had surgery some time after that and never played football ever again.

Holt was with the Pats for two weeks of camp before he was IRed. To say he couldn't pick up the offense is a misnomer. He might not have picked up the offense, but we will never know that because a knee injury ended his career.

 

[Rob0729]

No, it's not. According to Kraft, Welker was the #1 target and they let him get away over money they had plenty of. The Welker grade is already out, and it's an "F".

What Kraft says publicly about Welker really doesn't mean much. Kraft has an emotional tie to Welker and he wasn't going to say "We really didn't want Welker because we feel he didn't have much left in the tank."

The Welker grade isn't out yet. What if Welker hits the age wall this season and gets something like 300 yards and two TDs while Amendola get 1,500 yards and 12 TDs (and it is just a hypothetical so don't get hung up on the numbers)? Is the letting Welker go grade still an F? Because Kraft spoke glowingly about him in public?

Right now, the Welker grade doesn't look good. But letting Lawyer Milloy go right before the season looked like an F- move before the season especially since he went to a division rival, but it turned into an A move. Signing Adalius Thomas in free agency looked like an A+ move at the time and probably was a C/C- grade at best.

 

[JMC00]

Holt was a smart player who couldn't make the team.

He didn't make the team because he had a knee injury and got surgery. There is no way of knowing if Holt would have made the team if he was healthy. He was of no use to the Patriots for that season because they had placed him on IR and then released him so they weren't stuck paying him $1.7 million to not do anything.

 

[Rob0729]

He didn't make the team because he had a knee injury and got surgery. There is no way of knowing if Holt would have made the team if he was healthy. He was of no use to the Patriots for that season because they had placed him on IR and then released him so they weren't stuck paying him $1.7 million to not do anything.

He didn't get the $1.7 million. He got an injury settlement. I don't remember how much he got, but it wasn't his full salary.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The Welker grade isn't out yet. What if Peyton Manning hangs Welker out to dry the way he did Austin Collie and Welker gets something like 300 yards and two TDs while Amendola get 1,500 yards and 12 TDs (and it is just a hypothetical so don't get hung up on the numbers)? Is the letting Welker go grade still an F? Because Kraft spoke glowingly about him in public?

More likely scenario for a massive drop in Welker's production.

 

[Deus Irae]

He didn't make the team because he had a knee injury and got surgery. There is no way of knowing if Holt would have made the team if he was healthy. He was of no use to the Patriots for that season because they had placed him on IR and then released him so they weren't stuck paying him $1.7 million to not do anything.

He didn't make the team. It's that simple. Why you people are grasping at straws in an attempt to defend Holt/the Patriots over a non-attack is something you should really think long about, because my posts are completely non-combative on this issue. All I've said is that there's not a set way of telling which WRs will work in the system, which is obviously true and historically proven.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Welker grade isn't out yet.

Yes, it is, and watching the homers scramble to defend what happened is painful, because the excuses are truly pathetic.

 

[tombonneau]

Reading camp tweets from today sounds like the arrow is pointing up on Dobson. Very good news that he's hitting the ground running.

 

[tonyto3690]

Reading camp tweets from today sounds like the arrow is pointing up on Dobson. Very good news that he's hitting the ground running.

The arrow was also pointing up for Chad Johnson and Brandon Lloyd

 

[moosekill]

Yes, it is, and watching the homers scramble to defend what happened is painful, because the excuses are truly pathetic.

If Wes sucks this year, or gets hurt, does that mean the jury is still out?

And to all of you who keep saying how durable Wes was, he missed 7 months because of an injury. Happens it was in the next to last game of the season, but if it had happened in the first game he would have missed the entire season.

I know you miss him terribly Deus, but it is time to move on.

 

[grux]

No, it's not. According to Kraft, Welker was the #1 target and they let him get away over money they had plenty of. The Welker grade is already out, and it's an "F".

Welker and his agent also screwed up. They grossly overvalued his services. Also, if Amendola comes close to Welkers numbers then Bill won't get an "F".

 

[ATippett56]

Reading camp tweets from today sounds like the arrow is pointing up on Dobson. Very good news that he's hitting the ground running.

The same was said for Bam Childress.