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Aaron Dobson - underestimated even as a rookie?

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    I've been on leave now for the past week which is the reason for all of my posts, I am bored. But I want to know people's take on Aaron Dobson, the rookie WR and what his role will be in the offense. I feel as though, he is slightly being underappreciated and overlooked being the attention and press that other receivers taken before him are getting and half of them aren't even as good IMO. I like this guy's size, hands, route running, deceptive speed and again, great hands. Made a few one handed grabs including that great one that always scores the highlight reels. But what I also like about him is his intel, which is maybe something that Bill missed in previous receiver drafts. This kid has played in a complexed NFL type offensive system and is very smart, which makes it easier for him to learn the system. Additionally, he didn't drop ANY passes his senior year which is impressive. And with great coaching from Bill Belichick, Josh McDaniels, and the master Brian Daboll along with playing with IMO the best to ever play in Tom Brady, I think will give him a great chance to be a Franchise WR. I often heard him being compared to guys like Larry Fitzgerald and Randy Moss, and that doesn't come often to rookie receivers. He has been touted, the best WR prospect out of Marshall since Moss, and that's 16 years ago. And Marshall, does give us a good track record in receivers being that two of the very best we've ever had here in NE are from Marshall in Troy Brown and Randy Moss. What is your take on him? And despite the talk, I actually like his jersey number because it seems to go along with other skilled receivers around his size with a jersey number in the teens lol.. Julio Jones, Larry Fitzgerald, Brandon Marshall, Marques Colston, AJ Green ;) not but seriously comments or feedback on the kid

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    it will take this kid a few years to get the system. he won't be a 1000 yard receiver next year, which sucks because the team has really no one else at WR other than Amendola (if he's even healthy).
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    If we can get 40 catches and 500 yards and 5 TDs outta him, I'd be thrilled.
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    We can pretty reasonably guess that, and manage expectations accordingly, but we're seeing WRs come in and make impacts far faster than we used to, due to the increasing complexity of college offenses. If he comes in and plays as the credible #1 wideout this year, it shouldn't shock anyone.

    Different positions, but people were saying the same things about Jones, Solder, and McCourty just over the past few years. The Patriots are pretty good at getting immediate production out of their early picks.
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    also keeping my eye on cordarelle patterson and making sure that he pats didn't screw that up. honestly, if patterson turns out to be a star, then we need to get a GM to the drafting....
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    look at it as cordarelle or jamie collins josh boyce logan ryan and buchanan i think most people would pick 4 over 1 most times
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    Dobson situation reminds me a lot of Marvin Harrison's. Not in terms of being a player (size, speed, athleticism) but rather how he is entering the NFL. Like Harrison he was in what was considered to be a deep WR class, he however wasn't raved about, and he wasn't talked negatively about, he simply was seen as a solid draft pick who had a solid college career.

    I think he is going to be a really good player at this level. I don't think he will ever be in the class of a Johnson Jr, Jones or the handful of other elite WR. I think he will fall nicely into that second tier of WR. And that would make him an outstanding draft pick IMO.
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    I'm less worried about Cordarelle Patterson who was never likely to be a good Pats fit, and more worried about Robert Woods who was a really nice fit. That he plays for a rival team now also makes Woods more relevant.
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    I'm still pissed at the Pats for passing over the likes of Jennings and Bryant. I really hope Patterson isn't another one I'm pissed about.
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    Well you gotta make up your mind now about Patterson. You can't wait to see if he's good and then get pissed, that just wouldn't be fair to BB!
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    I agree on Woods, luckily it will be at least 3-4 years before Manuel is a good NFL QB and to be realistically he might not ever pan out.
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    At least one rookie will have a great year because Brady will have to throw to someone.
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    His success will be measured in part by how much attention he garners on the outside and up field ... both of which Brandon Lloyd failed to do. Even if he draws extra attention on the outside it will be a huge help.
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    Corderelle is a dumb thug from Tenesee. One AH is more than enough! CP may be Ok for a while in a simple offense, but he wouldn't cut it on the Pats like Ocho Cinco.

    Aaron Dobson is a good citizen with Phenomenal hands and great size. The only other receiver I coveted was Robert Woods, who has it all but is not as big as the frontline WRs.
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    TB & BB should be on A.Dobs as much as possible to learn Playbook and their system. He's has alot of potential and we need him NOW! At least give him a legit chance to see what he has and evaluate from there.
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    Lloyd's problem was that he chose to garner negative attention in the locker room, that is why they let him go... they want leaders not detractors.
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    Dobson's mini-camp performance left a lot to be desired, though he did make some nice catches. He better have his nose in the playbook during "vacation" and work on catching the "easy" balls. He also should hire somebody to help him learn all the routes he will be asked to run in NE...Maybe have his head in last years game film.

    He has an opportunity to be a GREAT WR, but the questions is, will he seize that opportunity?
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    Yeah, that's the thing with looking at draft picks the Pats passed on. They could end up being studs with the teams they were drafted with and could have been a bust with the Pats. The Pats' offense is such that only a certain type of receiver is successful with the Pats. The Pats are not going to revise their offense for an unproven low first round pick.

    Personally, I think Patterson would have been a bad pick for the Pats. He seems to need to thrive in a system where he can run a lot of go routes and other simple routes and not have to do a lot of pre-snap adjustments. WRs like that rely purely on their physical skills (hence why Smith is so inconsistent since he can be neutralized by a physical CB).

    I still hear people cry about not getting Torrey Smith. I just don't get it. Forget the fact that he is a vastly overrated and inconsistent WR. There is nothing that shows that he could thrive in an offense other than the one he is in where Flacco just throws up meatballs to him down the field. That ain't Brady's game.

    I see Patterson similar to Smith in that way. He needs to just run simple down the field routes and really isn't all that football smart.
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    Here's a list of the top WR rookie seasons of the last 10 years. Dobson was drafted in Rnd 2 pick 59.

    1. Anquan Boldin. 101 rec for 1337 yds and 8 TDs. Rnd 2 pick 54. 2003.
    2. Michael Clayton. 80/1193/7TDs. Rnd 1 pick 15, 2004.
    3. A.J. Green. 65/1,057/7. Rnd 1 pick 4. 2011.
    4. Marques Colston. 70/1038/8TDs. Rnd 7, 2006.
    5. Eddie Royal. 90/980/5. Rnd 2 pick 42, 2008.
    6. Dwayne Bowe. 70/995/5. Rnd 1 pick 23, 2007.
    7. Andre Johnson. 66/976/4. Rnd 1 pick 3. 2003.
    8. Mike Williams. 65/964/11. Rnd 4 pick 101. 2004
    9. Julio Jones. 54/959/8. Rnd 1 pick 6. 2011.
    10. DeSean Jackson. 62/912/2. Rnd 2 pick 49. 2008.
    11. Lee Evans. 48/843/9. Rnd 1 pick 13. 2004.
    12. Torrey Smith. 50/841/7. Rnd 2 pick 58. 2011.
    13. Roy Williams. 54/817/8. Rnd 1 pick 7. 2004.
    14. Santonio Holmes. 49/824/2. Rnd 1 pick 25. 2006.
    15. Larry Fitzgerald. 58/780/8. Rnd 1 pick 3. 2004.
    16. Calvin Johnson. 48/756/4. Rnd 1 pick 2. 2007.

    (Colston was drafted as a TE)

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    Dobson (Rnd 2 pick 59) ranks fairly high on these lists of rookie WRs who should produce this year. In these projections, he averages 6th most productive rookie for this 2013 class. Realistically, I doubt he approaches the yardage production of those listed above. I'd be very happy with 40/500/4.
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    I like Dobson just fine but he does have some flaws in his game. First, he's a finesse receiver. He's a big guy who often tries to play the way a smaller guy like would. He’ll try cutbacks or reversals of field that he has no business attempting – especially considering down and distance situations. He doesn’t use his bigger body to get physical with smaller DBs. Dobson tries to finesse defenders off the line of scrimmage when pressed although he’s built to get physical with a CB. Most of all, Dobson has to do a better job of using his body as a shield between the defender and the football. Fortunately, he's a smarter WR and he has remarkably soft hands. His low drop percentage must have really caught BB's eye. If the Pats can coach up his flaws, Dobson can earn a starting spot and contribute. Going into the draft, I was actually higher on Mark Harrison and Josh Boyce but both were injured for mini camp. Time will tell.
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    Dobson appears to have all the tools. He's a little hard to project bc Marshall's QB play was so terrible while he was there (regardless of what any stats might suggest). I never heard anything bad said about him while he was at MU (I'm in Huntington, WV) or even in high school (he's originally from WV). I think he's likely to put up a few 1,000 yard seasons with Brady, though probably not as a rookie. I feel pretty good about him, and I'm usually right about MU players. (Previous posts show I knew Lee Smith didn't have much to offer and didn't like Vinnie Curry. Can't say I projected Albert McClellan to be starter quality, but he never played LB at MU.)

    I'm going to say 50-60 receptions for 700-800 yards this year, closer to 1,000 next year, assuming Brady's healthy. I don't think he'll have any off-the-field troubles. I've heard he comes from a good family and is a good guy.
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    That list is missing the recent success of the "weak" 2012 WR class.

    Justin Blackmon-5th overall pick:64 receptions 865 yards 5 TDs

    T.Y Hilton-4th round pick: 50 receptions 861 yards 7 TDs

    Josh Gordon-2nd round supplemental pick: 50 receptions 805 yards 5 TDs
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    Good catch. I was too hurried & neglected to include 2012. Hilton's 4.3 speed from the slot allowed him to gain the 2nd most YAC (7.9) in the NFL last year. Harvin, of course was first.

    Blackmon and Hilton would rank 11 and 12 on my list.
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    Both Dobson and Boyce suffered from poor QB play in their college careers. Watching the highlights of both players, you can see some horrendous throws by their QBs. That caused both their values to drop especially for Dobson where he wasn't the leading receiver on the team because his QB couldn't throw very far and their leading receiver was a possession receiver.

    Not to say that means with an elite QB like Brady that he will be a stud, but the guy was not really showcased in the Marshall offense.
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    Apparently that is exactly the way he rolls.
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    I think Boyce will have a much better rookie season I think he can be a DeSean Jackson type of player I also think Donald Jones will have a nice roll on this team making Dobson Brady's #5 opt,

    #1 Rob Gronkowski,
    #2 Danny Amendola,
    #3 Josh Boyce,
    #4 Donald Jones,
    #5 Aaron Dobson,

    so with that said I don't see Aaron Dobson having much more then 30 rec as a rookie
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    Loved TY Hilton, wanted the Pats to pick him. He was one of my binkies for the 2012 draft. Saw him on a kick return, and it looked like he was shot out of a cannon. Then saw him make some difficult catches, and also get pounded and bounce right up. Great steal of a pick in the 4th round.
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    Curious and a little surprised you don't even mention Edelman. On your list I'd have put him third for now. It's all premature; TC will be critical.

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