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Worst positional groups in the NFL - WR's get "honorable mention"


He didn't say "worst in NFL history" or anything like that, he said among the worst heading into 2013.

Where does 2006 apply to this discussion again?

Nowhere, at least that I read, did he state that we're going to miss the playoffs and go 0-16 because of a potentially weak receiving corps. He says "... The Patriots really are counting on two rookies to produce right away"

Is he wrong? I don't think so. He stated something fairly obvious. Well, we'll be heavily relying on at least ONE of the rookies, more than likely Dobson, Edelman or Jones may rank ahead of Boyce for much of the season.

I agree with him ranking us among the worst in the league at the WR position until we prove him wrong. Our top 3 guys are potentially someone who has missed more games over the past 2 seasons than he's played (Amendola's durability is a huge questionmark, along with Edelman) and a pair of rookies.

Nothing to get worked up over.

You are making the exact same mistake that the author makes.

The new England Patriots run a two TE offense.

In a two TE offense, the two TE's (Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez) are the two most important skill position players. The are the #1 and #2 "WR's".

Amendola will be #3. Welker had a great year last year because the New England Patriots played the entire year without both TE's on the field and healthy.

The WR's and RB's are supportive in this offense.

A much more applicable comparison would be comparing the guys to other teams 3/4/5 WR's.

That's actually favorable.
 
You are making the exact same mistake that the author makes.

The new England Patriots run a two TE offense.

In a two TE offense, the two TE's (Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez) are the two most important skill position players. The are the #1 and #2 "WR's".

Amendola will be #3. Welker had a great year last year because the New England Patriots played the entire year without both TE's on the field and healthy.

The WR's and RB's are supportive in this offense.

A much more applicable comparison would be comparing the guys to other teams 3/4/5 WR's.

That's actually favorable.

No, the article was referring to the Wide Receiver position, Gronkowski and Hernandez are likely our #1 and #2 receiving options. They are not our Wide Receivers. Our Wide Receiver position is the weakest position on our team and among the weakest in the NFL, at this point. That can change come week 6 when we've seen them play.

Saying this does not say we lack receiving options or that we have no talented pass catchers.

The author made no mistake, the very first group he discusses are TE's. He separates them because they are very different roles played by very different players. Now, had he listed Tight End among our weakness, you'd have a point, but he didn't, and you don't.
 
No, the article was referring to the Wide Receiver position, Gronkowski and Hernandez are likely our #1 and #2 receiving options. They are not our Wide Receivers. Our Wide Receiver position is the weakest position on our team and among the weakest in the NFL, at this point. That can change come week 6 when we've seen them play.

Saying this does not say we lack receiving options or that we have no talented pass catchers.

The author made no mistake, the very first group he discusses are TE's. He separates them because they are very different roles played by very different players. Now, had he listed Tight End among our weakness, you'd have a point, but he didn't, and you don't.

Like I said, the same mistake.

In the Detroit Lion's offense the #1 and #2 targets are Calvin Johnson and Nate Burleson. They are wide receivers.

In the Pittsburgh Steelers offense, the #1 and #2 targets will be Antonio Brown and Emmanual Sanders. They are wide receivers.

In the New England Patriots two TE offense, the #1 and #2 targets are Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez (you can look at the paychecks).

Since New England Patriot "wide receivers" target priority will start at #3 and work down.......why exactly would one think these guys will be "better" than other teams that have "wide receivers" as their primary targets?

Here is the relavent questions.

The New England Patriots three top targets will be Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, and Danny Amendola...........who has three better targets?

NFL offenses are morphing into "skill positions" personnel, outside of out dated thinking to write articles, why separate?

In the end, the only reason, the New England Patriot "wide receivers" are "worse" is because the New England Patriot "tight ends" are vastly superior.

You can't have 8-10 "#1" receivers.
 
Read this piece by Gregg Rosenthal where he ranked the worst positional groups in the league and he gave New England's receivers "honorable mention":

Worst position groups in the NFL: Offense - NFL.com

I take no offense at any such articles in May

On paper, other teams have a better WR

On paper, the New England WR corps has scarce experience playing with Brady

On paper, last year's Eagles were the Dream Team - a moniker Dolphins fans might think applies to their active offseason

Real games aren't played on paper - or in May.

And disrespect is only going to drive our WRs to do better - so bring it on!
 
The thread is about WIDE receivers. The rating is about WIDE receivers. We clearly deserve honorable mention. Of course, we are still one of the best passing offense in the nfl; but that is NOT what we are discussing.

We have Amendola as our #1 WR.

We have rookies and JAG's competing for the rest of the positions. None is a clear #2 receiver in this league, at least not at the moment.

Danny and the JAG's.
 
Didn't read the article, but, let's say its correct. Isn't that the one position to be weak at over all others? Furthermore, you have arguably the greatest qb eva throwing them the ball. Miami has the best WR and.....................................
 
Like I said, the same mistake.

In the Detroit Lion's offense the #1 and #2 targets are Calvin Johnson and Nate Burleson. They are wide receivers.

In the Pittsburgh Steelers offense, the #1 and #2 targets will be Antonio Brown and Emmanual Sanders. They are wide receivers.

In the New England Patriots two TE offense, the #1 and #2 targets are Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez (you can look at the paychecks).

Since New England Patriot "wide receivers" target priority will start at #3 and work down.......why exactly would one think these guys will be "better" than other teams that have "wide receivers" as their primary targets?

Here is the relavent questions.

The New England Patriots three top targets will be Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, and Danny Amendola...........who has three better targets?

NFL offenses are morphing into "skill positions" personnel, outside of out dated thinking to write articles, why separate?

In the end, the only reason, the New England Patriot "wide receivers" are "worse" is because the New England Patriot "tight ends" are vastly superior.

You can't have 8-10 "#1" receivers.

No, there was no mistake read, you're simply to ignorant to distinguish the two positions.

Did you read the article? It isn't ranking "best targets". It's discussing offensive position groups separately. Not "receiving corps". Wide Receivers and Tight Ends are two different categories, as they should be.

One is split out wide, hence, WIDE Receiver, the other is end of the line players, who generally play tight against the OL, often as an extra blocker, hence TIGHT END.

Yes, they both catch passes, yes, wide receivers even sometimes block, they are still completely different positions.

Jjust because tight ends and wide receivers are both in the receiving corps does not make TEs into WRs and WRs into TEs. Reality says they're different, the article says they're different.

Read the article. Accept that New England has a very weak position group. It doesn't mean we should abandon the season and it doesn't mean that we'll still think its weak halfway through the season, but as it stands right now it is an unproven position headlined by some often injured players. The article isn't about the "relevant questions", it's about a SPECIFIC POSITION. Stop trying to make it say something it doesn't say.

Again, like I said, you'd have a point if the article was discussing the receiving corps as a whole, but it's not, and you don't. Sorry.
 
not sure why so many of you are butthurt about this

the team with a bad history at drafting and developing WR's is now relying on their 2 rookies to come in and contribute immediately. Add in the fact that they replaced one of the most reliable targets in NFL history with a guy who can't stay on the field and there isn't much to get excited about.
 
Rosenthal is awful, that is all.
 
Like I said, the same mistake.

In the Detroit Lion's offense the #1 and #2 targets are Calvin Johnson and Nate Burleson. They are wide receivers.

In the Pittsburgh Steelers offense, the #1 and #2 targets will be Antonio Brown and Emmanual Sanders. They are wide receivers.

In the New England Patriots two TE offense, the #1 and #2 targets are Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez (you can look at the paychecks).

Since New England Patriot "wide receivers" target priority will start at #3 and work down.......why exactly would one think these guys will be "better" than other teams that have "wide receivers" as their primary targets?

Here is the relavent questions.

The New England Patriots three top targets will be Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, and Danny Amendola...........who has three better targets?

NFL offenses are morphing into "skill positions" personnel, outside of out dated thinking to write articles, why separate?

In the end, the only reason, the New England Patriot "wide receivers" are "worse" is because the New England Patriot "tight ends" are vastly superior.

You can't have 8-10 "#1" receivers.

Why can't you just admit your wrong? The author clearly separates the positions and evaluates them based on depth and production. We are one of the worst team @ wr CURRENTLY and if none of our rookies step up we will be the same playoff failing offence as in years past. Until one of our rookies threatens a defense deep we will continue to see safeties creeping up and taking away the middle because Amendola is a lesser Welker and the welker/gronk/hernadez offence fails in the playoffs.
 
Why can't you just admit your wrong? The author clearly separates the positions and evaluates them based on depth and production. We are one of the worst team @ wr CURRENTLY and if none of our rookies step up we will be the same playoff failing offence as in years past. Until one of our rookies threatens a defense deep we will continue to see safeties creeping up and taking away the middle because Amendola is a lesser Welker and the welker/gronk/hernadez offence fails in the playoffs.

Shhh that isn't a real problem to most here ;)
 
Shhh that isn't a real problem to most here ;)

Luckily, I think the team realizes it, which should be all that matters. Dobson has "the looks" of a true outside receiver/potential deep threat combination. Lets hope he has the smarts for our offense.
 
Luckily, I think the team realizes it, which should be all that matters. Dobson has "the looks" of a true outside receiver/potential deep threat combination. Lets hope he has the smarts for our offense.

Agree 100%, it seemed like a big shift in WR "prototype" if you will.

I'm really excited about Boyce as well he seems to have the build to be a Desean Jackson type on the outside. Big plays is something we need.
 
Why can't you just admit your wrong? The author clearly separates the positions and evaluates them based on depth and production. We are one of the worst team @ wr CURRENTLY and if none of our rookies step up we will be the same playoff failing offence as in years past. Until one of our rookies threatens a defense deep we will continue to see safeties creeping up and taking away the middle because Amendola is a lesser Welker and the welker/gronk/hernadez offence fails in the playoffs.

" Ofcourse, the MiG-25 can't turn inside an F-4...it can't turn inside of anything.....It's not suppose to dogfight!!!!!"- MIG Pilot- the story of Victor Belenko.

Granted, basic comprehension most likely never been an emphasized or developed skill; however it does beg to question why the phrase.... "you are making the same mistake as the author" can't quite seem to register?

Since dumbing this down is impossible....the analogy route might be more fruitful.

Please note the quote above.

This is from the book about Victor Belenko, a MiG-25 who defected in 1976 with the highly prized and secretive MiG-25 Foxbot.

In the 60's and 70's, this aircraft was the most feared plane in the Soviet arnsenal because the very limited data on the aircraft made the plane frightening through western eyes.

When the MiG-25 was actually examined, the opinion was completely reversed and the aircraft was mockedafter going through the western evaluation process.

In the 1950's/60's American fighter aircraft philosphy emphasized a jack of all trades approach..fighter, bomber, high altitude interceptor...ect.

The MiG-25 was conceived under different circumstances. At the time, the Soviets were facing the propect of high altitude bombers. They needed to get a plane in the air that can shoot down these planes and they needed it quickly and cheaply........that became the MiG-25.

The initial reaction was to evaluate the airctraft through American eyes and the aircraft could never satisfy those demands.

Rumour even has it that some idiot on the evaluation team was emphasizing " allowing safeties to creep up".

Much later, Air Force dispensed with their standard evaluation process and actually evaluated the airctaft under the idea that it should be evaluated under what the Soviets were actually trying to accomplish.

Under this scenario, the ranifications were frightening because the Soviets developed an aircraft that fulfilled a crucial military objective in very short time and a little cost.

This would have been impossible in the US military establishment.

What's the analogy?

The author, the other guy and the rest of the clown car is using a standard evaluation method. It's most likely OK for the other 31 teams.

Your New England Patroits evaluate WR's differently because the emphasis of the offense are two TE's named Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernadez.

Do the current group compare favorably? Who cares?

Where they need to be judged is by what their roll will be in a New England Patriots offense that is unique in the league.
 
What's the analogy?

The author, the other guy and the rest of the clown car is using a standard evaluation method. It's most likely OK for the other 31 teams.

Your New England Patroits evaluate WR's differently because the emphasis of the offense are two TE's named Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernadez.

Do the current group compare favorably? Who cares?

Where they need to be judged is by what their roll will be in a New England Patriots offense that is unique in the league.

The article is grading independent positions, not receiving corps as a whole, why can you not understand this insanely simple concept?

De-emphasized or not, the wide receiver position on the New England Patriot's, as it stands today, is "weak" compared to most of the league. The author made no mistake. You are just afraid to admit to something negative being said about your favorite team. It's understandable. You're still wrong.

1.) Wide Receiver skill position - Weak - Amendola, JAG, JAG, Rookie, Rookie, Slater
2.) Receiver Corps - Strong - Gronkowski, Hernandez, Amendola, Vereen, JAG, JAG, Rookie, Rookie

The article is discussing the wide receiver skill position. Not teams entire passing offense.

I honestly cannot think of any reason that you cannot distinguish these things other than being afraid to admit that New England doesn't have the best everything to ever exist.

We will still be ranked near the tops of the NFL in passing offense, because as you have said, which nobody has argued, our offense is run through Tight Ends. Our Wide Receivers don't need to be Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald, we have their Tight End equivalents. The way we use our Wide Receiver position does not change the fact that it is a weak spot on our roster, we are capable of masking it however, to an extent, with our exceptional Tight End play.

I feel like we're going in circles just discussing how you're wrong with different methods.
 
The article is irrelevant the discussion is moot.......until they step on the field. They could become the greatest WR corps ever created or they could choke on sherbet. Saying any newly formed unit that hasn't played is either great or terrible is baseless.
 
The article is irrelevant the discussion is moot.......until they step on the field. They could become the greatest WR corps ever created or they could choke on sherbet. Saying any newly formed unit that hasn't played is either great or terrible is baseless.

Choke on sherbet? Am I that far out of the loop? Is that a phrase?
If not, then for the love of Pete, why pick sherbet? Talk about random.

(Hey, it's May. I need ta know these types of things.)
 
here's a tip...do NOT order the avocado tofutti next time you're down in the Village....
 
Choke on sherbet? Am I that far out of the loop? Is that a phrase?
If not, then for the love of Pete, why pick sherbet? Talk about random.

(Hey, it's May. I need ta know these types of things.)

Seeing that it's May and you need to know, I will tell you why I picked the phrase 'choke on sherbet'. Grab a soda sit back and relax and I will spin you a yarn:

It all started in the summer of my eleventh year, 1987. My mother was a seamstress and my father a carpenter and they both put in long hours so I found myself staying at my grandparents' house on most weekdays. Luckily for me, my cousin and his dad were living there at the time so I had someone to play with. But playing catch and riding bikes is not the only thing on a young lad's mind as he hits a certain age. So I headed to the restroom to 'clear my thoughts'. As I looked around for some proper material(i.e. the Sears ad) I hit the Jackpot.......a rolled up copy of 'National Lampoon' which every kid knows sometimes has boobies. I grabbed it up,assumed my throne ,and impatiently turned the pages.But them I saw something that stopped me cold. Was it a booby you ask? A bird? A plane? Nay...It was a cartoon caricature of a Red Sox player and an article. The 86' series was the tragedy of my young life I had avoided every mention of it up until that point. So I sat there in tears reading an article making fun of something that just destroyed me as a kid. The only thing I remember from that whole article was the phrase(referring to the Sox) 'You guys could choke on sherbet.' And now you know the rest of the story.
 
Great story, I've Killed People. Boy, did I get more than I ever expected. I was like,"Oh damn, this is gettin' even more better by the sentence!"
I'm glad I asked. I like tellin' storiez 'round here too. And I like people who tell 'em too. And I like ta see tha Patsfans footballl curmudgeons frown upon stuff like that and then sumtimes a big ruckus happens with people taking sides.
Your story would really polarize 'em. I'm like,"Oh, no whay, this autobiographical story is of the 11 year old burgeoning adolescent gettin' intimate with himself. ima read on an' see wat happens next!"
 


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