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Worst positional groups in the NFL - WR's get "honorable mention"

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  1. Ian

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    When the author of a piece focuses upon "the worst" of anything, it reveals something about that author. He must be a bundle of laughs to party with.
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    It's hard for any group catching balls from TB to be in the conversation for worst if you ask me.

    We have some bulletin board material now at least.
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    Biggest question marks for sure. When I think of teams with the worst anything, I think of teams with a boatload of players who are KNOWN to suck clogging up their depth chart.

    The Patriots have a wide spattering of talent in their wide receiver group, but each and every one of them comes with a serious question mark (be it injury concerns, youth, or inexperience in the system).

    If this group excels and becomes a top 15 group in the NFL, it won't come out of nowhere. We'll probably just consider it lucky that everyone stayed healthy.
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    Did he see the receiving corps Brady had to work with in 2006?...The same group he took all the way to the AFCCG with 'bug eyes' Caldwell as the deep threat?

    I don't think our WR group this year will be as bad as that.
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    before a down has been played.

    And this is supposed to be journalism.
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    He's just trying to get a headline by saying that some of the guys catching balls from Tom Brady are among the "worst" groups of their ilk assembled in the NFL. It's hard to say that the Pats WR's are in that company.

    It is fair to say that the group is a big unknown and that any group of WR's that lost Wes Welker automatically gets a big question mark hung on it.

    The flip side is that the Pats can cite this report and then really play the disrespect card if the WR's produce at a high level.
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    Well that's the thing. If Boyce and Dobson can come out and light it up like Hernandez and Gronk did, then the WR corps is fine and this article is a joke. That said, they could also come out and both be complete duds that couldn't understand the system or get on the same page as Brady. That would make the article correct, since the Pats hinged the WR position on those two players. In the end, I think it's too early to label them as the "worst", or even make them an honorable mention. There's too many question marks. But, outside of them, the position seems to be very weak.
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    On the flip side, we do know that Marshall receivers have done OK in this offense. :)
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    Welker was a Superstar and we didn't replace him with another media Superstar. So we're going to see a lot of articles like this until it's proven otherwise.

    As laughable as it seems, I bet if we were getting Chad Johnson for the first time this year, we'd be listed as one of the best. Even though we know how that would turn out.
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    Was he a superstar before he came to New England?
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    "Since it's a Monday in May".....
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    Gregg Rosenthal???...I mean, GREG ROSENTHAL??????????????? We're now supposed to listen to the ravings of an ex-PFT hack?...c'mon man....

    ex-football players...ex coaches...OK...THEY can play this exercise in futility with some kind of credibility...I mean, I can't stand Casserly but I would not begrudge him HIS opinion on this subject, for example...

    but...Gregg Rosenthal??? the fantasy geek goo gee gaa gaa little twerpo left out of every schoolyard game of pickup anything his whole life???? Please....just LOOK at this and you'll see my point...

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    The answer to your question isn't relevant to RobAllan's point. Welker is a 'superstar' now.
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    He didn't say "worst in NFL history" or anything like that, he said among the worst heading into 2013.

    Where does 2006 apply to this discussion again?

    Nowhere, at least that I read, did he state that we're going to miss the playoffs and go 0-16 because of a potentially weak receiving corps. He says "... The Patriots really are counting on two rookies to produce right away"

    Is he wrong? I don't think so. He stated something fairly obvious. Well, we'll be heavily relying on at least ONE of the rookies, more than likely Dobson, Edelman or Jones may rank ahead of Boyce for much of the season.

    I agree with him ranking us among the worst in the league at the WR position until we prove him wrong. Our top 3 guys are potentially someone who has missed more games over the past 2 seasons than he's played (Amendola's durability is a huge questionmark, along with Edelman) and a pair of rookies.

    Nothing to get worked up over.
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    Writers have to write something to justify their existence and pay checks, he would be better served to hold back on this topic until early November...
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    Fair enough. But this is the official league website. I tell you you'd expect this on a fan site or even ESPN.

    But the league website. You should expect an little bit of respect from them I think.
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    The guy is doing a preseason strengths article. We have no proven WRs, so he's probably being kind. If we hit on our mid round picks or FAs, maybe we'll be great, but he's not paid to be a fortune teller.

    It's not a personal attack, it's just an article.
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    I understand that, and other teams have definitely had worse things said about them.

    and I knows its just filler. Thing is. no-one knows how these teams are going to gel.

    It is Bulletin board material for all of the teams mentioned.
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    You are making the exact same mistake that the author makes.

    The new England Patriots run a two TE offense.

    In a two TE offense, the two TE's (Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez) are the two most important skill position players. The are the #1 and #2 "WR's".

    Amendola will be #3. Welker had a great year last year because the New England Patriots played the entire year without both TE's on the field and healthy.

    The WR's and RB's are supportive in this offense.

    A much more applicable comparison would be comparing the guys to other teams 3/4/5 WR's.

    That's actually favorable.
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    No, the article was referring to the Wide Receiver position, Gronkowski and Hernandez are likely our #1 and #2 receiving options. They are not our Wide Receivers. Our Wide Receiver position is the weakest position on our team and among the weakest in the NFL, at this point. That can change come week 6 when we've seen them play.

    Saying this does not say we lack receiving options or that we have no talented pass catchers.

    The author made no mistake, the very first group he discusses are TE's. He separates them because they are very different roles played by very different players. Now, had he listed Tight End among our weakness, you'd have a point, but he didn't, and you don't.
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    Like I said, the same mistake.

    In the Detroit Lion's offense the #1 and #2 targets are Calvin Johnson and Nate Burleson. They are wide receivers.

    In the Pittsburgh Steelers offense, the #1 and #2 targets will be Antonio Brown and Emmanual Sanders. They are wide receivers.

    In the New England Patriots two TE offense, the #1 and #2 targets are Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez (you can look at the paychecks).

    Since New England Patriot "wide receivers" target priority will start at #3 and work down.......why exactly would one think these guys will be "better" than other teams that have "wide receivers" as their primary targets?

    Here is the relavent questions.

    The New England Patriots three top targets will be Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, and Danny Amendola...........who has three better targets?

    NFL offenses are morphing into "skill positions" personnel, outside of out dated thinking to write articles, why separate?

    In the end, the only reason, the New England Patriot "wide receivers" are "worse" is because the New England Patriot "tight ends" are vastly superior.

    You can't have 8-10 "#1" receivers.
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    I take no offense at any such articles in May

    On paper, other teams have a better WR

    On paper, the New England WR corps has scarce experience playing with Brady

    On paper, last year's Eagles were the Dream Team - a moniker Dolphins fans might think applies to their active offseason

    Real games aren't played on paper - or in May.

    And disrespect is only going to drive our WRs to do better - so bring it on!
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    The thread is about WIDE receivers. The rating is about WIDE receivers. We clearly deserve honorable mention. Of course, we are still one of the best passing offense in the nfl; but that is NOT what we are discussing.

    We have Amendola as our #1 WR.

    We have rookies and JAG's competing for the rest of the positions. None is a clear #2 receiver in this league, at least not at the moment.

    Danny and the JAG's.
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    Didn't read the article, but, let's say its correct. Isn't that the one position to be weak at over all others? Furthermore, you have arguably the greatest qb eva throwing them the ball. Miami has the best WR and.....................................
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    No, there was no mistake read, you're simply to ignorant to distinguish the two positions.

    Did you read the article? It isn't ranking "best targets". It's discussing offensive position groups separately. Not "receiving corps". Wide Receivers and Tight Ends are two different categories, as they should be.

    One is split out wide, hence, WIDE Receiver, the other is end of the line players, who generally play tight against the OL, often as an extra blocker, hence TIGHT END.

    Yes, they both catch passes, yes, wide receivers even sometimes block, they are still completely different positions.

    Jjust because tight ends and wide receivers are both in the receiving corps does not make TEs into WRs and WRs into TEs. Reality says they're different, the article says they're different.

    Read the article. Accept that New England has a very weak position group. It doesn't mean we should abandon the season and it doesn't mean that we'll still think its weak halfway through the season, but as it stands right now it is an unproven position headlined by some often injured players. The article isn't about the "relevant questions", it's about a SPECIFIC POSITION. Stop trying to make it say something it doesn't say.

    Again, like I said, you'd have a point if the article was discussing the receiving corps as a whole, but it's not, and you don't. Sorry.
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    not sure why so many of you are butthurt about this

    the team with a bad history at drafting and developing WR's is now relying on their 2 rookies to come in and contribute immediately. Add in the fact that they replaced one of the most reliable targets in NFL history with a guy who can't stay on the field and there isn't much to get excited about.
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    Rosenthal is awful, that is all.
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    Why can't you just admit your wrong? The author clearly separates the positions and evaluates them based on depth and production. We are one of the worst team @ wr CURRENTLY and if none of our rookies step up we will be the same playoff failing offence as in years past. Until one of our rookies threatens a defense deep we will continue to see safeties creeping up and taking away the middle because Amendola is a lesser Welker and the welker/gronk/hernadez offence fails in the playoffs.

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