Heath Evans on the days leading up to the SB42 defeat

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

He puts up pretty stats in the playoffs. Those are two very different things. Being "money" is making the amount of plays needed for your team to win the ballgame. Throwing the football 50 times for 400 yards looks pretty on paper, but if it amounts to a loss, it doesn't mean anything when we are talking about postseason.

What if he goes 28 of 43 for 367 yards and 4 TDs and the Saints lose 31-28 because their defense couldn't stop Eli and the Giants had the football last?

 

[upstater1]

Sound like BS excuses for getting your butt kicked.

Mostly I agree except for the hotel part.

I just want to know who booked that.

I certainly hope it wasn't the NFL.

I've been to big chain hotels in crime ridden areas and some have been worse than Red Lions I've been in. I can think of one particular Hyatt that was godawful.

 

[robbomango]

Drew Brees Playoffs Game Log - Pro-Football-Reference.com

The guy is money in the POs.

I still struggle with QBR's especially when I run into ones like these.

Bradshaw..14 of 21 66% 309yd 2td 3int 14.7y/a 101.2rtg
Brady.......32 of 48 67% 359yd 3td 1int 7.38y/a 100.5rtg

Bradshaw...9 of 19 47.4% 209yd 2td 0int 11.0y/a 122.5rtg
Brady.......21 of 41 51.2% 201yd 1td 0int 4.90y/a 73.3rtg

Yards per attempt(Y/A) seems to be the big grey area because so many yards can come after a catch. I never know how much weight to give them personally.

But I agree, Brees is a beast.

 

[strngplyr]

I'm guessing that the league does. there is no way that you're going to get 70-100 rooms last minute at the same hotel on Super Bowl weekend. Likely, the league reserved X number of rooms at hotel A for the NFC and the same number at hotel B for the AFC...

Nothing on the logistic side is "last minute" for the Superbowl. They know where it is going to be FOUR YEARS in advance. It doesn't matter which team stays where, you have the hotels and location planned out several seasons before that sites playoffs even started.

This is the entire reason they give a city so much time, so they CAN properly plan out everything and have it ready to go.

Which Hotel did they stay at that was bad, the sense I got from reading the quoted excerpt was that they went to a 2nd hotel, not the one they had been staying at all week for practice, in order to get away from distractions, and it was this second hotel they "couldn't sleep in".

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

I still struggle with QBR's especially when I run into ones like these.

Bradshaw..14 of 21 66% 309yd 2td 3int 14.7y/a 101.2rtg
Brady.......32 of 48 67% 359yd 3td 1int 7.38y/a 100.5rtg

Bradshaw...9 of 19 47.4% 209yd 2td 0int 11.0y/a 122.5rtg
Brady.......21 of 41 51.2% 201yd 1td 0int 4.90y/a 73.3rtg

Yards per attempt(Y/A) seems to be the big grey area because so many yards can come after a catch. I never know how much weight to give them personally.

But I agree, Brees is a beast.

I like QBR as a quick reference, but it's definitely flawed and next to useless for a single game sample.

 

[Blizzzard]

Nothing on the logistic side is "last minute" for the Superbowl. They know where it is going to be FOUR YEARS in advance. It doesn't matter which team stays where, you have the hotels and location planned out several seasons before that sites playoffs even started.

This is the entire reason they give a city so much time, so they CAN properly plan out everything and have it ready to go.

Which Hotel did they stay at that was bad, the sense I got from reading the quoted excerpt was that they went to a 2nd hotel, not the one they had been staying at all week for practice, in order to get away from distractions, and it was this second hotel they "couldn't sleep in".

That's the point he was trying to make.

He basically said that the league has to have had those rooms reserved way ahead of time, because the teams playing in the game don't get decided until 2 weeks before the game (1 week before arrival).. so to leave it up to the teams, would mean the teams who make it are making reservations "last minute".

 

[strngplyr]

That's the point he was trying to make.

He basically said that the league has to have had those rooms reserved way ahead of time, because the teams playing in the game don't get decided until 2 weeks before the game (1 week before arrival).. so to leave it up to the teams, would mean the teams who make it are making reservations "last minute".

The paragraph you didn't bold was my point, he said they moved to a second hotel away from the family and media for Saturday night, I'm guessing THAT hotel may have been last minute, not a world-class hotel like the league would reserve.

 

[Wax Frog]

“The hotel was horrendous. We literally had guys with M-16s walking around the outside of our hotel. They warned us, ‘Don’t go outside by yourself.’ We were literally in the hood of Arizona. My room smelled like smoke. I remember Randy Moss being like, ‘I can’t sleep in this place. It’s like sleeping on a plywood.’ … but it was just little things like that. Again, is it the reason we lost? I don’t know. But you look back. Hindsight’s 20/20 and you say, what if?”

Well, at least they won't have anything to worry about this time...

I keed, I keed!

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

was feeling pretty good, i thought we were destined to win the game, then the fri and sat bs.. with john tommosse came out then specter had to show his face...the morning of the game all that was talked about was spygate it was devestating, belichick came out with the red hoodie..it was doomed , just bad feelings all around.. this time around is going to be different...

 

[PatsGirl2011]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I thought they were doomed regardless in 2007. Too much bad omen leading up to the game.

 

[glm]

I like QBR as a quick reference, but it's definitely flawed and next to useless for a single game sample.

Flawed? Useless?

Player Game Finder Query Results - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Look at all those W's.

QB's with top Passer Ratings this year and their team records:

1. Aaron Rodgers - 15-1
2. Drew Brees - 13-3
3. Tom Brady - 13-3
4. Tony Romo - 8-8
5. Matt Stafford - 10-6
6. Matt Schaub - 7-3
7. Eli Manning - 9-7
8. Matt Ryan - 10-6
9. Alex Smith - 13-3
10. Ben Roethlisbeger - 11-4

That's a .712 record for the above QBs or about an 11-5 record.

Good Passer Rating = winning.

 

[Sivy]

I came in to talk about the first post topic..and then it turned into a Brady vs Breese thread. Fail.

I for one, know that staying in a not so good hotel can F some rest up for sure.

 

[PlainOldEd]

I always thought that the 1st Giants drive probably determined the outcome more than the last one. After all of the distractions for the Pats that week, they probably couldn't wait to just play football & not have to deal w/ anything else. Waiting for 10+ minutes probably created a lot of impatience that wouldn't have been there otherwise...

Hmmm, I'd still say the last one was more important........

 

[Betterthanmost]

I did not make plans for a loss. I was so unprepared that I went off line for about three weeks, did not watch Tv for even longer.

 

[sly24]

Interesting read. Even with the team dead tired we were only one miracle catch short..

 

[WhiZa]

I don't understand the hotel part. Weren't they there all week and then all of a sudden on the Saturday day before the game he complains about the room?

 

[Gumby]

I don't understand the hotel part. Weren't they there all week and then all of a sudden on the Saturday day before the game he complains about the room?

They SWITCHED HOTELS the LAST NIGHT.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

Flawed? Useless?

We weren't talking about QBR in the context of wins. We were talking about it in context of QB performance. The post I was responding to contained some data outliers where the QB that seemingly had the better game ended up with the lower QBR. Obviously when you go to the extremes of QBR or increase the sample size these cases will become less and less, but for the vast majority of the ratings that are in the 70-100 range in a single game things become pretty murky.

A stat that tries to paint a complete picture is going to be flawed. With QBR a large sample size is critical. The problem with looking at it in a single game is that there isn't enough data for outliers to get averaged out. Over the course of a game a lucky play can result in a ~20pt swing in QBR. In single game samples you have guys like Sanchez putting up 100+ ratings; heck he put up a rating of 105.6... in a loss.

Since you ignored the fact that I actually said I liked the stat in my initial post, the fact that I quantified useless with both "next to" and "for a single game sample", and that this conversation was about QB performance not wins I doubt you'll do much more than pick a few talking points from this post to start attacking.

 

[NinjaZX6R]

They SWITCHED HOTELS the LAST NIGHT.

Any reason why? Just curious.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

Any reason why? Just curious.

To get them away from distractions was the reason quoted.