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What does an running back have to do with completing passes? Last time I checked, Brady (or Rivers) never caught the ball for their TE's or receivers.

Denying the comparison's are equally stupid.

It's about what weapons are available to these quarterbacks. The guys the Chargers have this year on offense, vs. the Patriots offense of '01, it's like night and day. Something that Chargers fans conveniently ignored in this discussion. Continue to be smug though.
 
It's about what weapons are available to these quarterbacks. The guys the Chargers have this year on offense, vs. the Patriots offense of '01, it's like night and day. Something that Chargers fans conveniently ignored in this discussion. Continue to be smug though.

To the contrary it has not been ignored. Indeed, the fact that Rivers is surrounded by greater talent on offense than Brady was in 2001 or for that matter is now in 2006, effectively means that Rivers has an even greater chance of accomplishing what Brady did as a first-year starter with lesser talent.:)

Bottom-line, Chargers have no excuses for not winning this game and thus none will be offered and for certain not by me.
 
Ahhhhh..... I actually think it's gonna come down to the opposite. If Rivers (& co) effectivly neutralize BB schemes, then Rivers could very well win this game.

If not, You could VERY WELL lose this game because of POOR play (and throws) of Rivers. Patriots HAVE a nagging way of MAKING QB's pay for mistakes, particularly in the post-season.

And thus....this is way they play the game!:)
 
And for the record, let me state that, while we may win this game because of Rivers, we will definitely not lose it because of Rivers.

This is exactly the kind of statement that makes it hard for us here to take you seriously.

Phillip Rivers has ZERO experience in the playoffs. He is not facing the KC Chiefs here. Rivers is playing against a monster defense that might force him to have such a bad game, he'll need therapy till next summer. Bill Belichick makes seasoned veterans QB's head spin like Linda Blairs head in the exorcist.

You are giving Rivers WAY TOO MUCH credit.

There is no substitute for experience in the NFL. You learn the hard way. Rivers may have put up some good numbers, but coming down the stretch he was not too good.
 
I've seen Tom Brady play, and mr. rivers you are NO Tom Brady! :) That being said what's the over under on rivers coughing up a couple of picks on Sunday? :D
 
I've seen Tom Brady play, and mr. rivers you are NO Tom Brady! :) That being said what's the over under on rivers coughing up a couple of picks on Sunday? :D

I'm going with 2 interceptions and 1 fumble.
 
"Bill Belichick makes seasoned veterans QB's head spin like Linda Blairs head in the exorcist." :rofl:
 
For all you Patsies talking about the lack of playoff experience for Rivers as the key in this weekend's game, read this article from a guy that's been there:

http://www.superbowl.com/news/story/9920750

He should know he had a sideline view of an inexperienced QB winning the SB. Hostetler (sp?) was the man!:D


Actually I like Simms and Hostetler was a decent QB for a couple of years.
 
Perhaps the major reason Rivers has succeeded thus far this season is that like Brady was in 2001, he is a first-year starter not a rookie QB. Rivers was on the bench learning last year when the Bolts played the Pats as he was for practically all the games during the first two years of his career.

Comparing the regular season stats of Rivers and Brady as first-year starters suggests that Rivers is as good if not better than Brady was at this point in his career.

Rivers Brady
Year 2006 2001
Yards 3,388 2,843
Comp. % 61.9 63.9
TD's 22 18
Int. 9 12

Of course, what separates Brady from everyone else is his first-year starting and subsequent performances in the play-offs and SuperBowls.

But no one seriously projected Brady's great success before the fact of it. And likewise, no one should seriously discount the possibility of Rivers following along a similar path in the play-offs now that he (as Brady did in 2001) faces his first play-off game as an experienced successful first-year starter.

And the distinct possibility of Rivers following that path is why Pats Fans should be worried about Rivers.

That certainly helped. But Rivers played for a team than had finished with 12 wins under Brees.

Brady played on a team that had gone 5-11 and 0 and 2, under the previous QB, who at the time was a potential HOF candidate QB...

More significant is that Brady started at 52% with his new unfmilar recievers and finshed at 63% overall, so he had a lot of 70% games with his newcomers in the second half od 2006.

OTOH, Rivers tailed off as the League's DCs got a "book" on hiim...
 
Of course, we saw more than a few games Rivers looked pretty darn rattled and the Bolts were lucky to win the game...

but of course none of that matters. Come Sunday, Rivers will face pressure like he never has before. I expect he WILL get rattled at some point - and that he will make some mistakes.

But he doesn't really need to be great to win either - look at Rothelsberger in last year's Super Bowl. To call him mediocre would be a compliment and yet the Steelers still won the game.
 
I KNOW Belichick & his staff will be discouting NOTHING. Rivers, Gates, LT, the Charger "D" - will all be getting thier due dilligence this week.

My guess is Coach Camera Smasher & his minions are holed up in Foxboro all hours of the past few and coming nights poring over film of every one of San Diego's games this season, especially focusing on the two losses and the games where teams held Tomlinson in check (Raiders, Ravens, Steelers).

(Yes, 109 yards vs. Oakland is considered "in check" for LT! LOL!)

Every Chargers weakness & strength will be dissected and laid on the table.

The one thing no one is talking about - and I think it's a very key point - is that with Belichick at the helm in the postseason, Pats fans can rest assured we will be prepared.

That's not to say we cannot lose, but if we do, it will be due to some breakdown in execution or out-of-their-minds-play by our opponents.

It will not be lack of preparation or unfamiliarity with everything the opponent does.

With Schottenheimer, I'm sorry to say, Bolts fans are not granted that same comfort level.

Just ask 'em in Cleveland & KC...

ADPF
both teams will be prepared, the rest is just smacktalk for the fans

we own NE , NE owns everyone outside the afc west

so this is really a great playoff matchup

it's pretty much marty's history of the playoffs owning him, vs pats (recent) history of the afc west owning him

i think if it was any non afc west team the pats would maybe even be favored even though they're not as good as the #1 seed.


i have alot of respect for the once great pats dynasty, i just think it's dead now, but we'll see sunday.

each side feels they're right, but come sunday night, only one side will be right, and that side will in my opinion, be winning the superbowl even if it turns out to be the pats.
 
i have alot of respect for the once great pats dynasty, i just think it's dead now, but we'll see sunday.

Its funny - a lot of people thought the 2003 and 2004 Pats weren't that good either.

When a SD/Indy or Steelers team wins 14/15 games (once) they are annointed the SB champs and are clearly the best in the league.

But when the Pats do it in back-to-back seasons all we got to listen to was, the Secondary sucks, the Colts will go into NE and win during the (pick one) AFCC game/Divisional round or there is noway the Pats can go into Pitt and win.

People not realizing how good the Pats actually are - is becoming a past time around here.
 
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This is exactly the kind of statement that makes it hard for us here to take you seriously.

Phillip Rivers has ZERO experience in the playoffs. He is not facing the KC Chiefs here. Rivers is playing against a monster defense that might force him to have such a bad game, he'll need therapy till next summer. Bill Belichick makes seasoned veterans QB's head spin like Linda Blairs head in the exorcist.

You are giving Rivers WAY TOO MUCH credit.

There is no substitute for experience in the NFL. You learn the hard way. Rivers may have put up some good numbers, but coming down the stretch he was not too good.

:)

One way or another, this particular post will be the first to be revisited in full immediately following the game.

I look forward to it.
 
Its funny - a lot of people thought the 2003 and 2004 Pats weren't that good either.

When a SD/Indy or Steelers team wins 14/15 games (once) they are annointed the SB champs and are clearly the best in the league.

But when the Pats do it in back-to-back seasons all we got to listen to was, the Secondary sucks, the Colts will go into NE and win during the (pick one) AFCC game/Divisional round or there is noway the Pats can go into Pitt and win.

People not realizing how good the Pats actually are - is becoming a past time around here.
what did people think about them last playoffs? i'm guessing you're going to tell me they knew they weren't quite ready but people know they are this year?
 
:)

One way or another, this particular post will be the first to be revisited in full immediately following the game.

I look forward to it.
that post of his pretty much disgraces what tom brady did in his first playoffs when tom had no experience at all in the playoffs...pretty sad that some pats fans have no memories of that time, i guess some just recently became pats fans after the pats beat the rams....
 
Why? Because Rivers is....

Not just a passing fancy

Expect Rivers to star for years

By Mark Blaudschun, Boston Globe Staff | January 11, 2007

SAN DIEGO -- The story has moved to the next chapter for Philip Rivers. Thus far it has been a tale filled with success, of potential that has been met and has carried the Chargers quarterback to Sunday's divisional playoff game against the Patriots.

Moves on to college at North Carolina State and again is a star. Marries his childhood sweetheart after his freshman season -- but only after asking then-N.C. State coach Chuck Amato for permission.

Ends his collegiate career with 13,484 passing yards, second most on the all-time NCAA list, the holder of every major passing record in school history and a star in every postseason college game he participated in, earning five MVP awards.

Moves on to the NFL, where he is the fourth overall pick in 2004, selected by the Giants. But the Chargers send No. 1 pick Eli Manning to New York and Rivers winds up in San Diego as an apprentice to young incumbent Drew Brees.

Spends two years learning his craft, maturing not only as a quarterback but as father to three young daughters.

All he needed was an opportunity to show what he could do as the starter. It came after the 2005 season, when Brees opted to pass on an offer from the Chargers and sign with the New Orleans Saints.

It was showtime for Rivers, who had the security of a six-year, $40.5 million contract, but wanted the fame -- and greater fortune -- a playoff run can bring.

But that begs a question that has clung to Rivers all week. Can this quarterback making his first NFL postseason start handle not only the Patriots, but the pressure.

"I think if he's not the best, he's in the top two or whatever," said Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer, noting the 3,388 passing yards, 22 touchdown passes, and only nine interceptions Rivers compiled in helping San Diego cruise to the AFC West title with a 14-2 record. "I have no reservations [about Rivers's lack of playoff experience] at all."

Rivers, of course, had plenty of help, primarily from the league's MVP, running back LaDainian Tomlinson.

Tomlinson says he has confidence in his quarterback, but is also curious to see how he reacts. If there was a concern, it was that Rivers was too anxious to shout "Game on" a week ago.

"I'm not sure what to expect from him," said Tomlinson. "He is excited about being in the playoffs, but some part of being a QB is you keep that even keel and not get too excited. We've got to remind him that a fast horse runs fast but it doesn't run long."

Yesterday Rivers said he was "anxious but not nervous" about his first playoff appearance.

"You've got to start somewhere," said Rivers, standing outside the locker room at the Chargers' practice facility a few miles north of Qualcomm Stadium. "If you play in 13 playoff games, you have to start somewhere with No. 1."

The Patriots say playoff experience is not a huge factor. "Looking at him on film and what he has done this year, he has accomplished a lot," said New England cornerback Ray Mickens. "He certainly isn't playing like a rookie quarterback and he's not a rookie quarterback. He has been in the league awhile. He's had a good quarterback he's mentored from, Drew Brees, a Pro Bowl quarterback. So he is no rookie quarterback; he's shown that this year."

Patriots coach Bill Belichick sees poise in Rivers.

"He doesn't give the ball up," said Belichick. "He makes good decisions. He has a good arm. He's athletic. He has some quickness in the pocket. He has a strong arm."

But Rivers might be forced to carry most of the burden, as the prevailing theory is that the Patriots will stack their defense to stop Tomlinson.

"That's probably been the game plan of all 16 of our opponents," said Rivers with a laugh.

Rivers said he is feeling an excitement surrounding this game he hasn't felt since he was playing for his father, Steve, at Athens High School in Decatur, Ala. "This is fun," he said. "Nothing better than high school playoffs. This is bigger, obviously, but it's the same kind of atmosphere. "It's why you play 20 games, for this type of game."

Even in grade school, Rivers had his eyes on bigger prizes. As part of a project in which he was asked to make a poster covering his goals, he took a Sports Illustrated cover of a Minnesota Vikings player and turned it in with his face pasted over the Viking.

His arrival in San Diego could almost be attributed to fate -- or stubbornness. Although the Chargers had the No. 1 pick and were in the market for a quarterback, Manning made it clear he was not in the market for playing in San Diego. Chargers general manager A.J. Smith, a part-time scout with the Patriots from 1978-80, finalized the deal that brought not only Rivers, but linebacker Shawne Merriman and offensive tackle Roman Oben.

Now, after a two-year apprenticeship and a season fine-tuning his new role as one of the offensive leaders, Rivers is ready for another giant step forward.

A strong effort against the Patriots -- make that a winning effort -- and Rivers won't have to paste his picture over anyone.

"He can lead us to a world championship," said tight end Antonio Gates, who led the Chargers with 71 receptions and nine TD catches. "This is our guy. He can get the job done. Everybody in our locker room believes that."

On Sunday, everyone will find out just what kind of job Rivers can do.
 
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Brady recalls first playoff game

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) - If Tom Brady was shaking in his first playoff game, it wasn't from nervousness.

The New England Patriots trailed by 10 points in the fourth quarter with the snow flying and the temperature falling. A loss to Oakland and his season was over. So how did the first-year starter feel?

"Cold," he said with a smile Wednesday.

The quarterback won't be shivering Sunday in San Diego, five years after that 16-13 win on Adam Vinatieri's overtime field goal in the final game at Foxboro Stadium.

The forecast calls for sunny skies and a high temperature of 61 degrees, compared to a game-time 25 degrees against the Raiders on Jan. 19, 2002. Brady, 11-1 in the playoffs, will face the Chargers and quarterback Philip Rivers, who'll make his first postseason start.

"It's his third year, so it's not like he's a rookie," Brady said. "He's 14-2. He's done a lot of great things for them. I'm sure the situation isn't too big for him."

Rivers spent two seasons backing up Drew Brees, took over when Brees left for New Orleans as a free agent and was picked for the Pro Bowl ahead of Brady this season.

"There's plenty of young quarterbacks that have done well," Patriots coach Bill Belichick said. "(Ben) Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl last year. Brady won a Super Bowl. Rivers is a good quarterback. They have a good football team. It's no one-man band out there."

Brady wasn't drafted until the sixth round and was just 24 and in his second season when he became New England's starter after Drew Bledsoe suffered a serious chest injury in the second game of 2001.

Brady threw his first touchdown pass in his third start - against San Diego - and led the Patriots from a 10-point deficit with less than four minutes left in regulation to an overtime win and a 2-3 record.

"Good memories of that day and that's kind of when our season really started to improve," he said.

The Patriots won their last six games to finish at 11-5 on the way to the first of their three Super Bowl championships. But they nearly were eliminated in the opening round, a game that brought the phrase "tuck rule" out of the depths of the rule book and into common football parlance.

The field was covered with snow, the Patriots managed just one field goal in three quarters, and they trailed 13-3 with eight minutes left in regulation. But he said he didn't feel great pressure.

"It's probably more over the course of the (previous) week, what you're doing with your time, and making sure you're just taking care of what you normally take care of," Brady said, "not letting everything get to you because, ultimately, once the ball's kicked off, you're playing football, and that's what you've been doing all year."

The Patriots cut the lead to 13-10 with 7:52 left in regulation on Brady's 6-yard run on a drive in which he completed nine straight passes.

But New England's hopes seemed shattered on an apparent fumble by Brady. Charles Woodson blitzed and Greg Biekert fell on the ball with 1:43 to go in the fourth quarter. But referee Walt Coleman overturned the call, ruling the play an incompletion.

"When I got over to the replay monitor and looked at it, it was obvious that his arm was coming forward," Coleman said. "He was trying to tuck the ball and they just knocked it out of his hand."

Vinatieri tied it with a 45-yard field goal through the snowflakes with 27 seconds left, then won it with a 23-yarder in overtime in which Brady went 8-for-8 passing.

"It's a bunch of hits ago," Brady said Wednesday, trying to recall the game. "I can't even remember what I had for lunch."

The Patriots then won the AFC title game in Pittsburgh 24-17, and the Super Bowl over St. Louis 20-17 on Vinatieri's last-play, 48-yard field goal and Brady's MVP performance.

Four games into that season, though, the Patriots were 1-3 and Brady was facing the Chargers for the first time.

They trailed 26-16 then tied it on Brady's 3-yard scoring pass to Jermaine Wiggins with 32 seconds to go. They won on Vinatieri's 44-yard field goal in overtime.

On those final three possessions, Brady completed 13 of 19 passes for 127 yards.

"That was kind of the start of a very magical year for all of us," he said.
 
If Rivers wins a playoff game, never mind a Super Bowl, it will be a friggin miracle!
Not because he's a bad QB - he isn't a bad QB. Because his coach is Marty Shot! To win with that loser as a HC would be a feat that would be a miracle!
 
If Rivers wins a playoff game, never mind a Super Bowl, it will be a friggin miracle!
Not because he's a bad QB - he isn't a bad QB. Because his coach is Marty Shot! To win with that loser as a HC would be a feat that would be a miracle!

Finally The Truth is revealed! :)

For Pats Fans, it is not about Rivers' inexperience, whether or not you can contain LT, hoping that Merriman leaves Brady standing, or even your conviction that Bill B will come up with masterful game plan, etc. etc.

No it is not about any of the above. Rather it is all about Pats Fans placing all their hopes on and their complete faith in Marty remaining Marty one more time. The truth is you guys are dreaming that Marty practices MartyBall and thus leaves your team in position to win a close game in the closing minutes.

Well Pats Fans sorry to say the sad truth is your faith is greatly misplaced and your dreams will not be realized. The Chargers will not be settling for field goals in the redzone nor be content to sit on a small lead in the 4th quarter simply because Marty is going to unleash the full force of the Bolts great talent from the opening kick-off to the final gun.

Marty's necessary first step toward final redemption is the complete domination of the Patriots for everyone to see.

For both Marty and his players it will be all about...........

Holding Nothing Back!
 
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