Reiss: Mankins demands trade, will not sign RFA tender

[DaBruinz]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

I don't blame Mankins or any of the other RFA for being pissed or holding out (Revis, Jackson, etc.). They are getting screwed, and whether it is the NFLPA's fault or not they need to take care of themselves.

Sir. You need your head examined. These guys aren't getting screwed in the least bit. Not when they are being offered over 6 million PER ANNUM in long term contracts.

If Mankins gets injured, he will never see the big contract he would be getting this year if he was a true free agent. If I were in his position, I think I might be playing hardball as well. Just look at Leon Washington with the Jets.

Different situations.. They aren't comparable.

Apparently, according to Reiss, Mankins is mad because he feels the Pats promised him they would deal with is contract this offseason. He claims his agent approached them about a contract a year ago, and he was told if he played out 2009 they would deal with him. He thinks they broke his word to him. He says their contract offer was for 20% less than Jhari Evans recent extension with the Saints.

I have news for YOU and him. If the Patriots offered you a contract, then they ARE dealing with you. Just because you think your worth MORE than that, doesn't change the fact that they are trying to negotiate..

I not really blaming the Pats, because they have a right to sign who they want. I don't blame Mankins either, because like a lot of the other RFA he is getting screwed by the CBA not being extended. I just hope it works out.

Every single player out there is responsible for the CBA having been extended yet. Heck, they've not told their representative to sit down with the owners yet. I think they are FINALLY going to have talks in a couple of weeks. This is after almost 2 years of knowing that the CBA was getting cut short..

 

[Synovia]

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Does the league not agree with or do the Saints not agree with me? I don't think there are many or any guards making more than what the Pats offered Mankins other than Evans.

Erik Steinbeck, Steve Hutchinson, Jason Brown, Jahri Evans, and Chris Snee all make more money than they just offered Mankins.

Alan Faneca would have, had he not been cut.

If the Pats offered to make Mankins the second highest paid guard in the league and he considers it an insult (I don't know if this is true, but I am throwing out the hypothetical), how is this meaning the league disagrees with me.

But they didn't offer him that.

Kinda supports that the league agrees with me. Mankins is one of the best guards in the league, but not THE BEST guard in the league.

Thats not what I was saying. I was saying that escalating guard salaries means the league thinks guards are more important than previously. There's a reason guards are getting so much money.

 

[Isaac]

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The owners ought to insist on a clause in the next CBA that any player who says something this stupid should lose their signing bonus. Generally the clause should cover anything that equates "respect" and "lying" to "not giving me as much money as I want". Does he actually expect people to believe that Kraft told him that if he plays out the year he will be offered a contract equal to any guard in the league regardless of how much that is? Compounding the depression is that some people, particularly in the media, will actually believe this.

 

[Rob0729]

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Erik Steinbeck, Steve Hutchinson, Jason Brown, Jahri Evans, and Chris Snee all make more money than they just offered Mankins.

Alan Faneca would have, had he not been cut.

We don't know that. We have no idea what was offered and how it was structured. It is believed to be 20% less than Evans, but was it 20% less with one or two less year? Was there more front loaded or guaranteed money, but less overall money? The Pats tend to not do long deals. So I doubt they offered a seven year deal.

But they didn't offer him that.

Again, how do you know that?

Thats not what I was saying. I was saying that escalating guard salaries means the league thinks guards are more important than previously. There's a reason guards are getting so much money.

Salaries escalate at every position. Not just guards. A really good DE goes for $14 million plus a year now. An above average QB like Eli Manning can make $16 million a year.

I may or may not be wrong about guards' value, but their salaries are not escalating any faster than many other positions. It is just all the salaries are escalting.

 

[Gwedd]

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So lemme see if I understand this.... Logan just changed his first name to Asante?

I think that Mankins is a fool for turning down that contract, but if he's serious, then I hope he finds happiness somewhere else.

Certainly no team out there will be trading for him at the level the Patriots will ask, if indeed they decide to trade him.

There is no way this turns out well for Mankins.

 

[NE39]

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Sir. You need your head examined. These guys aren't getting screwed in the least bit. Not when they are being offered over 6 million PER ANNUM in long term contracts.

You are a little defensive. I am not criticizing the Patriots.

He is getting screwed, as are the 100+ guys who were due to be UFA but aren't because a new CBA has not been agreed to. Instead of getting to shop his services and negotiate with leverage, he gets to negotiate without leverage. That isn't the fault of the teams those guys play for, but they are still getting screwed. They play a sport with a 100% injury rate, and they are missing their shot at the open market.

The Patriots have a right to offer him whatever they wish. If they don't want to offer him more, that is their right. That doesn't mean he has to sign it. He probably thinks he is worth top OG money, which is currently about $8M per year, and he could make a pretty decent case he is a top OG in the NFL. He doesn't have to accept any less than that if he doesn't want to, anymore than the Pats have to offer it to him.

I don't see either side as the bad guy. The Patriots are well within their rights, and so is Mankins. He isn't holding out. He doesn't have a contract.

I'm not sure why there has to be a bad guy here. This is product of the current labor contract, and is going on around the NFL.

I can't blame a player for not wanting to sign the tender. They are making a decision they don't want to play under those contract terms. That is their right. I might make the same decision in their circumstance, considering a injury can occur on any play which can cost them millions. It is not an easy decision.

 

[mgcolby]

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Well I guess we will now have 3 2011 2nd round picks. This is interesting: Kaczur to LG and Vollmer to start at RT???

For some reason I'm ok with this. I thought Mankins would sign his tender and then a deal would get worked out. So this is a surprise to me but yet I don't feel that a line of Light (not as bad as some on here try to make him out to be, actually it isn't even close), Kaczur, Koppen, Neal, Vollmer is that bad. Maybe Larsen will surprise and show he can start or be a primary backup, but either way the OL isn't a big concern for me. Dante will coach them up....

 

[NE39]

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Maybe the Pats don't think he is worth that, or don't want to pay him that. That is their right. There isn't a rule they have to pay Mankins like a top OG.

 

[BaltimorePatsFan]

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Eric Steinbach, Steve Hutchinson, Jason Brown, Jahri Evans, and Chris Snee all make more money than they just offered Mankins.

Alan Faneca would have, had he not been cut.

Personally, I rank all of those guys ahead of Mankins (except for Jason Brown who is a center) because Mankins has been liability in pass protection in some of our key moments in recent years, like

1) Super Bowl 42 (according to profootballfocus.com he gave up 3 sacks).
2) The 2nd game against the Jets in 2008 (2 sacks).
3) the last 3 games against the Ravens (1 sack in each game).

 

[Synovia]

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I may or may not be wrong about guards' value, but their salaries are not escalating any faster than many other positions. It is just all the salaries are escalting.

Rob, they certainly have escalated faster than most other positions in the last couple years.

 

[Synovia]

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Personally, I rank all of those guys ahead of Mankins (except for Jason Brown who is a center) because Mankins has been liability in pass protection in some of our key moments in recent years, like

1) Super Bowl 42 (according to profootballfocus.com he gave up 3 sacks).
2) The 2nd game against the Jets in 2008 (2 sacks).
3) the last 3 games against the Ravens (1 sack in each game).

And thats fine if you rank those guys ahead of him. The thing is, hes in the conversation, and that means the $6/48 isn't unreasonable money.


Oh, I missed Derrick Dockery getting 7/49 in 2006.

 

[TruthSeeker]

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All I can say is f**k you Mankins, hope you get traded and blow out your knee on the first play with your new team. What's this world coming to that 6.5 mill a year is an insult to play GUARD in the NFL ? F**k off Mankins you greedy piece of s**t

 

[reflexblue]

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Twitter / Mike Reiss: Logan Mankins: "I want to ...

We've lost more important players than Mankins and kept on rolling. Hes been here awhile what makes him think he's so special.

 

[JackBauer]

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All I can say is f**k you Mankins, hope you get traded and blow out your knee on the first play with your new team. What's this world coming to that 6.5 mill a year is an insult to play GUARD in the NFL ? F**k off Mankins you greedy piece of s**t

Excellent argument. Well reasoned and aptly stated.

 

[Gwedd]

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All I can say is f**k you Mankins, hope you get traded and blow out your knee on the first play with your new team. What's this world coming to that 6.5 mill a year is an insult to play GUARD in the NFL ? F**k off Mankins you greedy piece of s**t

I see you are posting from the corner pub.....

 

[BPF]

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"I was asked to play '09 out, and that they would address contract after the uncapped year."

Uncapped year hasn't happened yet, am I missing something?

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

You are a little defensive. I am not criticizing the Patriots. Not in the least.. But you delude yourself if you want to.

He is getting screwed, as are the 100+ guys who were due to be UFA but aren't because a new CBA has not been agreed to. Instead of getting to shop his services and negotiate with leverage, he gets to negotiate without leverage. That isn't the fault of the teams those guys play for, but they are still getting screwed. They play a sport with a 100% injury rate, and they are missing their shot at the open market. They are as much at fault for there not being a new CBA as the owners. That's why I don't believe he's getting screwed in the least. Especially when he was offered a contract that was north of $6 mill per annum. No, they aren't missing their shot at the open market. They can choose to sign the one year deal and hit it next season. That's their CHOICE. Just like it was their CHOICE not to push their representatives to sit down with the owners PRIOR to the 2009 season and getting things worked out.

The Patriots have a right to offer him whatever they wish. If they don't want to offer him more, that is their right. That doesn't mean he has to sign it. He probably thinks he is worth top OG money, which is currently about $8M per year, and he could make a pretty decent case he is a top OG in the NFL. He doesn't have to accept any less than that if he doesn't want to, anymore than the Pats have to offer it to him.

I don't see either side as the bad guy. The Patriots are well within their rights, and so is Mankins. He isn't holding out. He doesn't have a contract. This has no bearing on what I responded to. But Mankins IS holding out as the OTAs and Minicamps aren't really optional.

I'm not sure why there has to be a bad guy here. This is product of the current labor contract, and is going on around the NFL. You are the one who brought up their being bad guys to begin with.

I can't blame a player for not wanting to sign the tender. They are making a decision they don't want to play under those contract terms. That is their right. I might make the same decision in their circumstance, considering a injury can occur on any play which can cost them millions. It is not an easy decision.

You seem to be under the misguided impression that he's not received a contract offer from the Patriots. He has.. And he turned it down. It's not been mentioned whther or not they sent a counter, but the impression I got was that they didn't.

Yes, I can blame the player for not signing the tender. It's easy.. He wouldn't be in this siutation if he had signed the contract offer he was given. So, I have no sympathy for him. And this ploy of his to try and paint the Patriots in a bad light does nothing but show him to be the issue. Not the Patriots.

 

[reflexblue]

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Excellent argument. Well reasoned and aptly stated.

Hey it could happen....

 

[PatsFanSince74]

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This sucks. Mankins is an outstanding (and young) part of an OL that is old by NFL standards. He should have been an anchor of that line for the next six or seven years. He protects the blind side of the Franchise, who was only sacked 16 times last year. I really don't think this is a guy we want to or can lose.

There's really no way to sugar coat it or make it go away by getting mad at him. It sucks. It's not good. And, I'm not claiming to be inside Tom Brady's head, but it's not good for him either.

 

[Deus Irae]

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I was taught a man's word is his bond. Obviously this isn't the case with the Patriots.

That's not going to help with team harmony.