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Overrated by who? Most of the rankings have him as a high to mid 2nd rounder, some maybe late 1st rounder.
If he is drafted in the 2nd round, I would say that is just about right. I would not use #23 on him, I could use #34 on him but #47 would be just about right, IMO.
There has been a lot of hype about him and I'm not even including people on this board. In about 2 weeks we will see the dust settle on many of these prospects and I don't think he will be taken in the 1st round.
First of all, NONE of the sites i've looked at say that Barwin gets pushed back "Beisel style". That is you taking out your arse. Kinda like you did with McDaniels... .
I wouldn't call it overrated. I would say that he is victim of fan excitement. I said the same thing two weeks ago. Barwin is in reality a good type pick for round 2 late to round 3. Very athletic-but when ahs he played enough at one position to make him an elite prospect. TE-raw. OLB- raw. If given a round one grade- he is a reach. If given a round 2-3 he becomes a mild surprise once he gains experience.
Most of you are so sad over losing Vrabel that you're going nuts over a prospect claiming to be Vrabel 2.0. From what I'm seeing, he's NOTHING like Vrabel as a football player aside from the fact that both can play a little TE.
Overrated by who? Most of the rankings have him as a high to mid 2nd rounder, some maybe late 1st rounder.
If he is drafted in the 2nd round, I would say that is just about right. I would not use #23 on him, I could use #34 on him but #47 would be just about right, IMO.
There has been a lot of hype about him and I'm not even including people on this board. In about 2 weeks we will see the dust settle on many of these prospects and I don't think he will be taken in the 1st round.
It's also possible that he has a Mayo or Ware-like rise into the first half of the 1st round - not particularly likely, but possible. .
Now you want to bring McDaniels into this, to somehow discredit my assessment of Barwin? I have long said McDaniels is inexperienced, over his head, and lacks situational awareness, and ALL of those traits are popping up and being repeated now over in Denver. Only complete homers like yourself refuse to acknowledge this. Please reply now, as you do to every other poster here, in a condescending way to pretend you know more than others, when you're just another loud arse on the board.
Most of you are so sad over losing Vrabel that you're going nuts over a prospect claiming to be Vrabel 2.0. From what I'm seeing, he's NOTHING like Vrabel as a football player aside from the fact that both can play a little TE.
Heck, I'm one of the folks dreaming of Barwin at #23, and even I think he's overrated! I'm not comfortable taking him that high, I just suspect it's necessary. And I'd gnash my teeth and do it because I'm greedy. I want that impact OLB who has to be accounted for on every play, and he looks like my best bet to get one.
(BTW, weakness setting the edge against the run is definitely a strike against Barwin, but it's also a strike against English, Maybin, Johnson, Matthews, etc. Seems to come with the territory.)
Keep it coming mav.
Heck, I'm one of the folks dreaming of Barwin at #23, and even I think he's overrated! I'm not comfortable taking him that high, I just suspect it's necessary. And I'd gnash my teeth and do it because I'm greedy. I want that impact OLB who has to be accounted for on every play, and he looks like my best bet to get one.
While I would much rather get Barwin in the 2nd than in the 1st round, I would say that he is one of the few prospects that I've gotten really excited about in the past 5-6 years. .
There is a difference between guys like Ware/Mayo or Matt Jones/Drew Henson/Vernon Davis, and that is production.
Based on your early body of work on this forum, to me that means a lot.
But of those players you listed, Barwin is one of the few with a very limited record in college, and the history of conversion-type or huge upside without the stats to back them up kind of players, is horrible. What makes you so sure Barwin isn't a project who is going to take at least 3-4 years to become a starter?
I'd have to strongly disagree with that. On NFLNetwork, Mayock cited examples where he excelled at just that.