BB testing Asomugha?

[MrBigglesWorth]

Well obviously but as to CB, BB sticks with the W boys imo. And if our front 7 stays good then there's no need to break the bank for a CB.

our defense hasn't been able to get pressure on the ball for two consecutive seasons. last year we were front runners.

this year aside from maybe AD, it's been so sporadic. if this team is going to win anything next year the defense needs to be addressed.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

The front 7 is SET except for the lack of a quality passrusher. We can get that in the draft or through free agency. Our secondary looked terrible against a terrible Raiders team. Our special teams coverage looked suspect again! There are more needs on this team than you think and secondary is definitely one of those prime needs.

I'm not disagreeing with that but the point was where BB's going to throw his money. And as I said, our rookies this year will be NFL-experienced players next year. Those factors should make them better, not the same as they are now.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

I think Bill was maybe telling us that with the right offense, there IS no shut-down corner. I like Nmamdi, but I'd be surprised if Kraft would brush Bill aside for an FA corner. I think Wilhite, Wheatley, Hobbs, Richardson and Maybe Sanders (dang, he looks good at safety) along with a couple other rookies will compete for corner.

We need to beef up our front seven more than we need to spend tons of money on corners.

I'd expect one semi-big-deal FA acquisition and a lot of cheap FA's and UDFA's.

we need someone along the lines of suggs, a dware

dallas was stifling last night. even greg ellis got to eli and same with the g-men ...they beat up romo

 

[reflexblue]

Wheatley was picked not far from where Ty Law was.

Really? I don't remember but I don't think Wheaties was taken anywhere near the 21st pick in the first rnd.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

our defense hasn't been able to get pressure on the ball for two consecutive seasons. last year we were front runners.

this year aside from maybe AD, it's been so sporadic. if this team is going to win anything next year the defense needs to be addressed.

Again,I'm not disagreeing with that. The point was if BB stays true to form he won't throw big money at a CB. See Ty Law,see Asante. As to who BB does throw money at-see Rosie and Big Sey for example.And AD.

It's about position for him-always has been and I don't see BB changing his stripes as far as his basic philosophy goes.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Again,I'm not disagreeing with that. The point was if BB stays true to form he won't throw big money at a CB. See Ty Law,see Asante. As to who BB does throw money at-see Rosie and Big Sey for example.And AD.

It's about position for him-always has been and I don't see BB changing his stripes as far as his basic philosophy goes.

ok, we're agreeing

 

[Sicilian]

Anyhow i dont see BB breaking the bank for a CB. He never has and never will and would prefer to bring Wheatley and Wilhite along plus anyone he can get in FA

He also never had drafted a LB earlier than the fifth round before Mayo.

I think BB has shown that he'll spend money on / invest a high draft pick in any position if the player he's getting fits his mold. Samuel was not worth nearly $10m a year. I don't know if BB actually thinks Asomugha is either, but if he does he's not going to say, "oh, well, too bad he's a CB, or I would try to sign him!"

 

[ctpatsfan77]

He also never had drafted a LB earlier than the fifth round before Mayo.

I think BB has shown that he'll spend money on / invest a high draft pick in any position if the player he's getting fits his mold. Samuel was not worth nearly $10m a year. I don't know if BB actually thinks Asomugha is either, but if he does he's not going to say, "oh, well, too bad he's a CB, or I would try to sign him!"

According to BB, however, that is not entirely a calculated decision to do so. For example, IIRC, if Jonathan Vilma had been around for the Pats first-rounder a few years ago, he'd have been BB's pick.

 

[Sicilian]

According to BB, however, that is not entirely a calculated decision to do so. For example, IIRC, if Jonathan Vilma had been around for the Pats first-rounder a few years ago, he'd have been BB's pick.

That's exactly what I'm saying though. If the right player comes along, he's not going to pass over them because it's too early to draft that position. Likewise, just because we wouldn't overpay for Samuel, doesn't mean he won't give market value for Asomugha if it comes along. Or maybe he doesn't like him, that could be true, but to say he wouldn't do it because it's a CB is silly.

 

[BradyManny]

Despite what the announcers were saying, I thought Asomugha played well. For one, the completions in his area said more about Cassel than they did Asomugha's coverage. Cassel was putting the ball in the perfect spot so only Moss could get to it, which I think was indicative of what could've been Cassel's best throwing day this year. Asomugha's coverage on Moss was tight in every instance.

Furthermore, I noticed the Raiders started putting Asomugha on Welker, and once they did, Wes' day became a lot quieter.

I was someone who had little to no interest in re-signing Asante for a big deal. I'd break the bank for Asomugha, and I'd ship picks to Oakland to get him here if he's franchised.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

ok, we're agreeing

Yay

As to the D though ( not really the topic of this thread but) next year AD will be back, Mayo should be even more of a stud than he was this year same with Guyton who's done well for us. Big Sey being healthy this year made a huge difference too. Again, everyone forgets we're fielding a bunch of rookies but that's not how we started out. We had AD, plus don't forget about Tank Williams.

 

[PatsFan2]

The Raiders left Asomugha on an Island vs Randy and Wes. I remember Champ Bailey getting help consistently over the Top vs Moss.

 

[Sicilian]

I was someone who had little to no interest in re-signing Asante for a big deal. I'd break the bank for Asomugha, and I'd ship picks to Oakland to get him here if he's franchised.

Hmmm... do I smell a franchised CB for franchised QB scenario brewing?

 

[ALP]

Hmmm... do I smell a franchised CB for franchised QB scenario brewing?

i would seriously hate shipping cassel to oakland......


but for Asomugha....maybe


(not that the raiders have given up hope on russell yet, only coaches have a 1 yr span in oakland, players get 4 to prove themselves)

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

i would seriously hate shipping cassel to oakland......


but for Asomugha....maybe


(not that the raiders have given up hope on russell yet, only coaches have a 1 yr span in oakland, players get 4 to prove themselves)

he'll never go to oakland. i think our best bet if the pats do franchise him which i think is ify at best is to ship him to detroit for their 2nd rounder or minny for their 2nd rounder

 

[Seneschal2]

...do u guys think BB was testing Asomugha out to see exactly what hes made of?

No. It was mentioned during the game that Moss was his "tutor" while at Oakland, teaching him coverage techniques. Most would say that Moss can beat any CB one-on-one, and more specifically someone he's practiced against. Give credit to the Pats OC for designing an impressive gameplan.

BTW, Asomugha has allowed only 8 completions in 14 games, and 3 of those were by Moss yesterday.

i also noticed at one point that asomugha was checking pictures from the game, like QB's do...and i think i like the kid even more b/c of it, i have never seen a cb look at those b4

Quite impressive indeed.

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Also of note:

Asomugha just switched agents. He's now signed on with Tom Condon, known as one of the toughest negotiators. IIRC, the Pats had some dealings with him during the Ben Watson holdout.

Love to see Asomugha on board, but as usual, he'll come here to play for a contender -- sooner rather than later, sacrificing a few $'s elsewhere. Would hope Moss would have some influence. Given the Pats abundance of early picks, finding another CB to compete with Wheatley, etc. is the cheaper way. OTOH, we weren't suppose to be in the running for Colvin either (a tier one signing) -- but we managed. I'll keep the light on...

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Its quite possible that BB doesnt evaluate Samuels talent as worthy of the $ and does Asimonghoua.


Just because we didnt pay Samuels doesnt mean we wont lay down $ for a quality DB. (Samuels was overrated)

Samuels' style of pay was to occasionally break coverage and jump routes. Got him lots of picks. Everyone forgets him being beaten a few times by many yards. Those were the gambles that didn't pay off. Superior safety play covers up those CB errors.

Would I like him back? Absolutely, but at nowhere near the cap $ he's geting.

 

[BradyManny]

No. It was mentioned during the game that Moss was his "tutor" while at Oakland, teaching him coverage techniques. Most would say that Moss can beat any CB one-on-one, and more specifically someone he's practiced against. Give credit to the Pats OC for designing an impressive gameplan.

BTW, Asomugha has allowed only 8 completions in 14 games, and 3 of those were by Moss yesterday.

Quite impressive indeed.

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Also of note:

Asomugha just switched agents. He's now signed on with Tom Condon, known as one of the toughest negotiators. IIRC, the Pats had some dealings with him during the Ben Watson holdout.

Love to see Asomugha on board, but as usual, he'll come here to play for a contender -- sooner rather than later, sacrificing a few $'s elsewhere. Would hope Moss would have some influence. Given the Pats abundance of early picks, finding another CB to compete with Wheatley, etc. is the cheaper way. OTOH, we weren't suppose to be in the running for Colvin either (a tier one signing) -- but we managed. I'll keep the light on...

Just based on what I'm reading on the board and such, the CB class isn't overwhelming - particularly for the Pats needs - this upcoming April. I could be wrong on that. Asomugha would be an instant upgrade and instantly transform this defense...I agree he'd be expensive, but I'm personally really hoping he somehow ends up a Patriot in the offseason.

 

[Seneschal2]

Just based on what I'm reading on the board and such, the CB class isn't overwhelming - particularly for the Pats needs - this upcoming April. I could be wrong on that.

The CB class doesn't have to be overwhelming for the Pats to get the right player. We'll have two second rounders and two third rounders to play with and target one CB. There are some decent CBs in the early rounds (IMO) who fit the Pats MO (ball skills, etc.). BB has never drafted a CB earlier than round two (for the Pats). The highest pick was Eugene Wilson, followed by Wheatley, Hobbs, and Samuel -- in that order. We'll know better (see the draft forum), exactly which CBs BB may have an eye on come draft time.

 

[BradyManny]

The CB class doesn't have to be overwhelming for the Pats to get the right player. We'll have two second rounders and two third rounders to play with and target one CB. There are some decent CBs in the early rounds (IMO) who fit the Pats MO (ball skills, etc.). BB has never drafted a CB earlier than round two (for the Pats). The highest pick was Eugene Wilson, followed by Wheatley, Hobbs, and Samuel -- in that order. We'll know better (see the draft forum), exactly which CBs BB may have an eye on come draft time.

Very true. Just curious, any prospects that jump out at you at this point?

They also oughta be thinking safety, IMO, of course that depends on who they re-sign. I really like some of the options at safety in the draft.