PatriotSeven

Well you have different definitions compared to what everyone else refers to as Elite. Hall of famers are the elites of elites to everyone else. And you didn't understand anything that I wrote if you think my OP was simply about praising Eli.

Zoie

I guess so. Sorry OP. I don't mean to be rude. It was a nice original post, but I would be more receptive to this if the Giants hadn't been so nasty this past week along with the media plus the Steelers players mocking this loss on twitter in addition to the usual haters coming to gloat and sneer.

I would be more gracious if say uh Tom was 4-1 in the Super Bowl with this being his first loss, but 3-2 brings out the media wolves and haters.

Eli won 2 Super Bowls at the expense of the Patriots. If he had won against other teams, then I would be more gracious.

PatriotSeven

I think this just goes to show you, we need to start having a bit of fun too. And so do our players. Nobody remembers what is said years down the road because it's all in good fun and sport.

And it's time for Brady and the Patriots to stop walking on eggshells in front of the NFL or the media and claim their right to have fun, enjoy their wins, their accomplishments, do their share of trash talking without it having to mean anything more than just that. It clearly helps your confidence and gives your team a little bit of an edge and flavor. And it makes fans happy.

I think after 11 years they have earned their right to talk and do a little salsa of their own. And win or lose, who cares if it comes back and bites you in the ass? It's a lot worse to not even enjoy it and lose anyway.

Having said that, speaking of loudmouths, what happened to the Nascar package? Tom, the O line and this offense slashed some tires out there. Loved the "injury fakes" though fellas. Good stuff. Oscar winning effort. But our D line played better anyway

Zoie

I'm all for anything that wins the Patriots another Super Bowl. Personality changes, therapy, etc.

I really wanted a victory for Myra, and Tom's coach Tom Martinez...

If Tom needs to turn into a Kobe Bryant-like narcissistic egoist to get past these Super Bowl losses and be a 4 or 5-Time Super Bowl winning QB, then so be it...

What's was originally frustrating is the Giants talked the talk, then walked the walk. They were team with brashness and confidence that wasn't illustrative of their season record. Now I see that it's the law of attraction at play.

You have to own your dreams and goals in life.

Just happy to be here in the Super Bowl, and hoping to have a celebration parade isn't enough.

PatriotSeven

I just want to see them have fun at this point. I don't care about the next Super Bowl win. This was honestly the least enjoyable run out of all of them, for both these players, and us the fans. If it wasn't for Gronk we might as well have worn storm trooper outfits out there.

So much tension. Maybe they just need to stop trying to be so perfect. Sometimes it works against you. They're not perfect. Nobody is. Time to let it go Bill and have have some fun.

Doing that, might have a better chance of winning us another Super Bowl. I just wanna see Brady smile. Laugh. Like Gronk! These guys are facing far too much pressure.

SVN

Yeah, Well I personally don't like him either. Nothing about his or Eli's abilities but just behavior.Just my opinion.

SVN

Do you remember before the colts/saints SB everyone was ready to coronate manning as the best ever if he won ? yet brady loses 2 in 5 appearances and people start doubting his abilities and creds. This is what gets me more than anything else.

Zoie

I remember that and thought what about Joe Montana and Tom Brady?

The media proclaimed that Peyton was going to going to be the greatest of all time when he dismantled the Saints. They essentially trashed Joe Montana, Tom Brady, and the Saints. I remember how media made it seem like the Saints shouldn't even bother to show up.

Then he threw a pick 6 when it mattered the most, and his playoff record became 9-9.

I couldn't figure how anyone with less rings than Joe Montana and that playoff record would be considered the greatest of all time. Even if he wins he's barely above .500, and he still has less rings than Joe and Tom.

It boggled my mind.

However, the media hype got to Peyton. After the game Deion Sander and Michael Irvin trashed Peyton. Deion said he chocked, then they played a clip of Peyton arriving to the game looking stern and pressured. Deion and Michael basically said that clip of Peyton arriving looking that way they knew for sure that the Saints were winning.

PatriotSeven

Yes I do and it is annoying. Bill and Tom never talk back and never defend themselves mainly because they know when it's all said and done, they will still be judged on their accomplishments and believe to be judged fairly. They never point this out. They let them do as they please. It is one of the truest of teams in the NFL, so when your team gets a knock, so does its leaders.

It is what it is. But I really wanna see some freaking trash talking next year. Because as it turns out, image and entertainment is a part of that. And we have not defended the first enough lately, and aside from Gronk, haven't really given the nation a whole lot of the second.

In history though, Tom matches Manning and are neck in neck in their regular season accomplishments and surpasses him in playoffs and Championships. Same for Eli even though he did get beat by him. Tom and the Mannings are forever binded.

It's actually nice if Eli does end up among the greats because it will go down as one of the most heated and competitive quarterback eras in history. And Tom, is still poised to be the leader of his generation. It still takes two Mannings to almost equal a Brady. That's all this Super Bowl proved. They caught up to Tom, kind of. At this point it's evident they're both doing their best so as not to share a HOF ticket as brothers, and it's mighty close right now

But maybe we need to stop worrying about HOF or the greatest of all time when there's till life left in our dog and we're acting like our job is done. We'll see where the cards will fall. Right now we're all acting like a bunch of spoiled brats complaining about whether our guy really is the greatest of the greatest. Come on.

Just remember this. The feeling we have in losing to Eli and the Giants and that organization like this, is the exact same feeling 30 other NFL teams feel when they face the Patriots. We're being terrorized by one team, and Denver who recently got taken over by Tebow, but we have done this to everybody else in the league.

So lets act like we can take our losses like Champs.

alvinnf

Eli Manning is a very good QB. A true winner and gamer. Most important for me is that the Giants maximize his skill set within their system. Could Eli go empty and chuck it around the lot, hell yes. What the Giants organization understands is that he is even more effective through play action and backed by a tough running game. The NE organization could learn a lesson from the Giants.