you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Attacking the opponent instead of his arguments = paragon of someone who is losing a debate badly

So that explains Brady missing wide open receivers badly huh? And it explains how he's made some completions that were awful throws that those "lousy" receivers turned into catches. I've seen a bunch of those from him this year too.

Right.

LOL @ "there hasn't been enough time" excuse. It's week 14. How much would "enough time" be? When you lose your playoff game? Next season?

Your defensiveness is misguided. It's really not necessary to be a Brady apologist with me. I am not a hater. I think Brady is a great QB. The fact he is NOT having a good year doesn't change my opinion of him.

No I haven't watched every Patriots game, but I've watched enough to draw some educated conclusions about your quarterback.

LMAO @ "jackleg".

That's right. And when he's in the right spot, and Brady misses him badly (as he's done plenty of times) then it's still the receivers fault. I get it. Where's my Brady pom-poms?

F last season. I'm talking about 2006. Get with the topic.


Yes, when a ball is tipped, that could be the QB's fault as well as the receiver's. That could mean his throw wasn't accurate enough and/or there was too much velocity on the football.

LOL!!! Because I'm not a Pats homer you think I'm being hostile. Great stuff. Take off your Brady apologist glasses and you'll see I'm not here to troll, I'm here here to have a reasonable discussion about football and your QB. I'm not saying it's all Brady's fault he's struggling, but in the past he's had even fewer weapons to work with, and he's won Super Bowls.

Take a look at their roster. What receiver of yours would you trade for theirs? Your receivers aren't as bad as you think. Sorry.

Fair enough, but I still think your receivers are better, and your QB needs to play better than he has if you're going to win in the playoffs.

Interesting. So by that logic, when Ricky Williams ran for 1900 yards in 2002, that means Jay Fiedler must have turned into a great QB that year. LOL. It doesn't work that way. Phillip Rivers has been great this year, regardless of LT, and he's had some lousy receivers to work with. So what's Brady's excuse for not playing great?

*sob*

Oh wait..

LMAO @ your feeble rebuttals.

That's better.

Oh and by the way:

We've won with worse WR's

He's or she's making the identical point that I was making in this thread.

Is he or she a troll too?

I get it, I get it. I remember you, I do. I spent way too much time trying to get you to think rationally all those years ago, and I'm not going to do that again.

No, you're not here to talk football.

You're here to make fun of the Patriots and piss off Patriots fans, as you've always been.

So this is it, and then I'm done with your silly games, because I remember from the past that it's fruitless:

You can bash Brady all you want, you can say it's his fault even with 80% turnover at the WR position etc etc.

But comparing the Patriots struggling offense with a ton of problems beyond QB play (such as OL play, hard to be an accurate QB when you're getting pressure in 1.5 to 2 seconds every other drop back) to the (this season) hottest offense in the NFL is pretty sad.

To squish your idea that our WRs are so much better than SDs: Our #1 WR this season is a WR that SD dropped last season as scrap! Think about that when you're spewing your tripe.

Here's their stats:

Antonio Gates 64 798 12.5 57 8
Eric Parker 42 581 13.8 38 0
LaDainian Tomlinson 52 479 9.2 51 3
Keenan McCardell 32 394 12.3 28 0
Vincent Jackson 16 262 16.4 55 3
Malcom Floyd 15 210 14.0 46 3
Brandon Manumaleuna 14 91 6.5 19 3
Lorenzo Neal 12 67 5.6 21 0
Michael Turner 2 17 8.5 12 0

Ours:

Benjamin Watson 49 643 13.1 40 3
Reche Caldwell 47 586 12.5 54 3
Troy Brown 35 323 9.2 23 3
Kevin Faulk 39 298 7.6 20 1
Laurence Maroney 18 188 10.4 31 1
Daniel Graham 17 185 10.9 29 2
Chad Jackson 10 131 13.1 35 3
Jabar Gaffney 6 101 16.8 33 0
Corey Dillon 8 68 8.5 27 0
David Thomas 3 52 17.3 29 0
Patrick Pass 2 24 12.0 16 0
Heath Evans 3 15 5.0 10 1
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Doug Gabriel 25 344 13.8 45 3 (RELEASED)



So.. Ben Watson is better than Gates?

So.. Caldwell, who SD dropped last season, is better than Parker?

So.. Faulk is better than Tomlinson (RB as a reciever comparison)?

So.. Brown is better than McCardell?

So.. Gaffney and Chad Jackson are better than Vincent Jackson and Malcom Floyd?

Maybe in time this will all be true after these new players meld into the offense, but as you can see the stats don't support your idea. That's because the experience level isn't there yet for our WRs in this system. We don't have a Tomlinson to take pressure off of our passing game. We've got old, slow Corey Dillon and a rookie RB who looked really good for four or five weeks before coming back down to earth for the next 9 or 10.

My advice to you: Get a hobby.

Your obsession with a rival team is weird and unhealthy. It's persisted for years now and I think you're on the verge of needing clinical help. If you do keep up your Patriots-obsession, then at least stop posting things that are purely inflamitory. Try to put aside your hatred for this team and actually talk reality when it comes to football.

Seek help, good luck.

brownfan80 ill take it from here regarding RS i own him .

Thank you sah, I was done here anyway. I realized after my first reply who the guy was and how effective conversation was going to be. He's all yours! Do your worst! He deserves it.

Golly gee genius, you got me. I give up. Wow, how did you figure that out so easily?

I stand by what I said about SD. Phillip Rivers is having a great year with sub par receivers. Brady, well, isn't. Notice I said RECEIVERS. Why are you bringing tight ends and running backs into the conversation? Gates is not a WR, and neither is Tomlinson or Turner.

If you want to say that SD has better weapons overall than the Pats then maybe you have a point. But then I'll just point to 2001 and 2003 where Brady led the Patriots to the Super Bowl with no semblence of a running game and not much in terms of receiver options. What's his excuse this year, with a top notch running game?

Brady is making a lot of bad throws and missing his receivers even when he gets all the time in the world. So that excuse doesn't work either.

Wake up and face the facts. Your binky is not playing well. Why? I don't know. I never really understood the god-like status Brady has in New England. He's a fine QB, but does any football player deserve this kind of adulation? Is there a church of St. Brady in Boston somewhere? If there is, I guess that explains the cries of sacriledge when I criticize him.

Posting on a Patriots board is "Patriots obsession"? Interesting logic.

And this topic is not inflammatory, it's intended to start a discussion and debate. When I try I can be as obnoxious a troll as you've ever seen (like when I started posting here a few years ago under a different name), but I prefer this kind of discussion to mindless bashing.

Take a look at http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb.php which ranks players on a different basis. Brady is 6th I think.