ausbacker

That's why the Jets won't be winning a Superbowl any time soon then. Revis is a small portion of a defense which lost 8 games last year and played well in the post-season. Tom Brady is going to Canton with multiple championships and is the best player in the league at the most important position in football. You'd be able to survive without Revis playing and another corner stepping in. The step up from Sanchez to Brady is enormous.

The more I think about it and research them the less impressive the Jets defense actually is. Christ some of you Jets fans continue to outdo yourselves with your own stupidity.

Brady2Welker

The cornerstone of the Jet's hype is based on the fact that their defense did a decent job at stopping the Chargers/Bengals, then being slaughtered by the Colts. The Jets had a pretty easy schedule last year, as did the Patriots. I personally think that both teams offensive and defensive stats are inflated above what they are in reality, anyone who watched the Patriots offense/defense last year knew we struggled immensely most games, and really only were able to do as well as we did because of Moss/Welker/Brady. Similarly if you look back at the Jets games, fair enough they beat a decent Houston team, but aside from blowing up Oakland just like we blew up Tenn, they struggled as well. I think both teams did an alright job last year, and had there been some real competition in the AFC in general, the Jets wouldn't have made it into the playoffs. We still probably would've gotten destroyed round 1, but the hype caused by them beating the Bengals/Chargers wouldn't have happened.

emoney_33

bwahahaha, only a Jet fan would think a 24 year old CB (no matter WHO that CB is) is worth more than a 32 year HOF QB.

lol and he's a liar too. The only reason you say this is because you know for a FACT there is 0 chance he will ever be on the Jets. But lie as you may, we all know you'd jizz your pants if Brady ever became a Jet.

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Shaun John 9294

Last year was a down year considering what he did in 2007. Still better then the guy we are comparing him too, Butler.

He did play man coverage and became the starter on November 24th ,2007. I was wrong about playing against #1s. You win 1 out of 3 there good job. Still doesn't help any argument about Butler because all he did was play #3s because for a majority of the season he was the NICKEL BACK for 11 out of 16 games.

He is best suited for man coverage because he is good at bump n run coverage, not because we play man a lot. What does not being a good tackler have to do with covering a WR? Oh yea thats right NOTHING. Gambles too much but makes plenty of picks while giving up 57% of his passes. Well worth the gamble since the the best CB in the NFL gives up 44%.



[QUOTE=AndyJohnson;1825273]It actually supported my point while I was saying its unreliable. Duh. That is my point, you are basing your argument on stats from a site that has obvious inaccuracies. [ /quote]

The site is inaccurate because the 2007 season is incomplete due to the fact the site started DURING the 2007 season and missed out any information that happened prior to opening? Even though the 2008 and 2009 seasons are completely accurate? Right



Playing one year with a fractured hip may affect your ability just a little bit. In 2009 they switched from man to zone because there pass rush was horrendous and the secondaries were getting torched because CBs can't cover WRs for 10 seconds per play. I guess that doesn't make sense?

I'll go to a San Diego board and ask.

A - I know how he covered based on the ACCURATE stats given.
B - Read above
C - Any thrown at stat on the website is either in man to man or the players zone. If a guy is man to man obviously he would be charged the catch. If you have film to review and half a brain you can figure out who is covering who by watching the play unfold. Example if a CB is playing man to man against WR1 and releases him to the safety in order to pick up WR2, I'd say thats common football sense. It includes prevent defense.



Ok do you have a better website? Overall this website is accurate.


Scheme and pass rush are weak arguments? hahaha Are you serious? Ok put a great CB on a decent WR and let him try to cover him for 10 seconds and watch the WR get open every time bc NO CB CAN COVER ANYONE ALL DAY. Eventually they get open so if you have a piss poor pass rush, chances are you have piss poor pass defense regardless of whos in your secondary. Scheme is HUGE some players could fit schemes while others can't. Ray Lewis is one of the best MLBs EVER. In the 4-3 he is a God. In the 3-4 hes play takes a noticeable hit because he is not BUILT FOR THAT SCHEME. Ray Lewis ya know, better then any defender whos suited up for the Patriots. You guys drafted McCourtney because the Pats felt he fit your scheme better. We wouldn't of drafted him over Wilson because the Jets feel he fits their scheme better. Still feel scheme and pass rush don't affect players? If you do lets just have our teams fire all coordinators and drop back 11 players on D n see what happens.

One's fools trash is another mans treasure. I'm happy with Cromartie as the Jets #2 CB. To each is their own.


I am flawed from the start? Open your eyes and watch a Jets-Patriots game without your tinted blue glasses. Its not hard to see who is better and who makes play and who does nothing but make tackles. So Sacks, FF and INTs aren't game changing plays they are aka I said so? WOW I guess the NFL should stop tracking those useless plays and only track tackles, THE MOST USELESS STAT IN THE NFL. Yeah he tackled him 10 yards down the field after he picked up a 1st down THAT IS A GAME CHANGER haha. Good job Mayo you have 3 or 4 of those today.

But wait I thought scheme is irrelevant and has no affect on any player? Didn't you say that is a weak argument? Yeah you failed on that one. If Mayo follows the SCHEME and is rarely called to rush the QB, obviously he won't get sacks. But how does that stop him from getting FFs and INTs. hmmm

yea I'm a troll ok lol. I'm showing you legitimate things of how David Harris makes more impact plays. The All Pro team isn't a joke like the fan voted Pro Bowl. The AP watch more Patriot games then i do and more Jet games then you do and unlike both of us, do not favor either in the slightest bit as they are neutral and do not care who you or I like. So why did they not vote the game changer Mayo over David Harris? Because he is NOT BETTER. He is more athletic. He does not hit as hard. He doesn't sack the QB. David Harris made more plays in 1 year then in Mayos whole career how do you not understand that??? There is a word that can be slapped on your forehead for not admitting Mayo doesn't make more impact plays then David Harris. BIAS. Calling me a troll for pointing out the obvious just because it isn't in your favor is a counterargument. That's life.

Here is a better question. Show me why Mayo is better. Please enlighten me.

I agree to a certain extent. Sacks, FFs, INTs and TDs are very important, big time plays on defense. It just so happens Harris has a lot more then Mayo. It is what it is. I make statement, you counter, I counter back that is called debating. The problem is neither is giving in so its become a pointless debate. Like a rocking chair it is giving us something to do but not getting us anywhere.

Shaun John 9294

Why because they do not favor your players? lol Obviously is followed by failure? your post is what I call a block of crap and you just wasted space in this thread

Shaun John 9294

Tom Brady is a top 5 QB. Randy Moss is a top 10 WR who gets thoroughly abused by Revis. Welker is probably a top 10 WR also The difference is Darrelle Revis is the #1 CB in the NFL. I may trade him for Brady because QB>CB. But He is 32 and Revis is 24 with a lot more years left in his career then brady. I probably make this trade anyways.

Revis for either Randy Moss or Welker? After hearing "Hey are you interested in trading Revis for Rand...CLICK" call back saying "Sorry I know i got crazy But what about for Wes Wel....CLICK"

Revis owns Moss why would I trade Revis for him? hahaha look at Moss after Revis 1st NFL game. He has been dominated ever since.

emoney_33

How does this even make sense to you? He had ONE good year, THREE years ago and that indicates he's good and the last 2 years were "down" years? So Eugene Wilson, for example, is really good he's just having a whole bunch of down years in a row.

Seriously, if he did it multiple years in a row and then had a down year because of injury that's one thing but he had ONE good year three friggin years ago.

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ausbacker

So throughly abused that he was one of two players to catch a touchdown against Revis? I'll be interested to see how a fresh and fit Randy Moss goes against Revis this season. I guarantee you he'll be targeted.

You're kidding yourself if you don't trade Revis for Brady given your side is built to try and challenge for the Superbowl right now.

Come here to talk football yet your obvious troll shines through before 50 posts. Rightio chum.

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because it's idiocy, but I told a mod I'd be more civil so I edited out the comment about you being retarded.

emoney_33

He has struggled against the Jets defense which INCLUDES Revis. He has never been "thoroughly abused" by any single player in the NFL. But please let the Jets continue to focus on Moss this year and the rest of the receivers will just destroy them again. This won't be like your SB last year when Welker was out and it was Moss, a rookie QB turned WR, a ****bum and a special teamer.

No one ever said anything about trading Moss or Welker for Revis. But I'd take one year of Moss + average CB rather than Revis + average WR.

You spend 9.5 billion joules of energy to explain how Cromartie is really actually great but the scheme has made him look terrible. Yet you have convinced yourself that Revis island is really an island. I guess 6 points against your team is considered "owning" too. Any receiver can be limited when you focus so much attention on him. Revis will succeed on an island against Moss if and only if he's severely injured or aged. Also if this was Moss at the prime of his career, Revis would be getting oxygen on the sidelines.

Revis is awesome, but please stop pretending he is literally on an island covering receivers.

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