Shaun John 9294

My analysis of Cromartie is flat out wrong? How can numbers be wrong? If Cromartie is 56th what is Butler with lesser numbers??

Overall profootballfocus is on point just because there stats don't favor your player doesn't mean there wrong. I don't think the creators thought to themselves "well lets make make the Pats look bad and favor the other teams" when they created that website. If you knew anything about profootballfocus.com, its that they started out somewhere during the 2007 season so that particular season is incomplete.

Antonio Cromartie Game Log - New York Jets - ESPN

He didn't have 9 total interceptions he had 12 along with 18 pass deflections. What has Butler done and what conclusive evidence does anyone have to show he is CLEARLY A BETTER BALLHAWK then Cromartie? A whopping 3 picks and 8 deflections? Whoopie dooo. At least you can say Cro has done it before but Butler never has. Is Bodden better then Revis because he allowed only 50% of passes thrown his way to be completed? You do not have justifiable evidence based on his numbers to just say Ohhh yeaa hes a better at X, Y, Z meanwhile I have statistics and something concrete to back up everything I have said to prove the Cromartie/Butler debate is indeed in favor of Cro.

Cromartie was a STARTER midway through the 2007 season playing MAN TO MAN COVERAGE ask any Charger fan. I made a error in saying he guarded #1`s through out the entire season my bad I own up to my mistakes. However Butler has only covered #3s for aa majority of the season so even if there coverage numbers are close last year, Cromartie did it against tougher competition meaning he is better as long as the numbers are close or identical which they are. I have brought up legitimate reasons why these past 2 years he has struggled. Reread my previous post about the scheme, Merriman falling off, oh yea and a playing with a fractured hip throughout the 2008 season.

Just like your analysis of the Mayo/Harris debate, your argument here is weak and not solid at all. Mayo, claiming a top 2-3 ILB versus David Harris, who IS 2nd team ALL PRO? So if he is the 2nd or 3rd best ILB in the game, why isn't he 2nd team ALL PRO instead of David Harris? The simple reason why he is not is because he is NOT BETTER. He's good just not on that level of playmaking. Just because he wears a Patriots uniform doesn't mean hes the best at what he does. Like I said David Harris last year made MORE PLAYS then Mayo has in his ENTIRE CAREER.

It seems when evaluating Patriot vs Jet players, as long as Patriot players numbers are only a notch below or within striking distance of another Jet players, they are better. That doesn't make sense.

AndyJohnson

You said last year was a down year and 2008s stats were much worse.
You said he played man coverage vs the #1 and he did not in fact he was the 3rd corner in 07.
You said he is best suited to man (because your team plays it a lot) but the fact is he is afraid of contact and gambles way to much, so he is a tremendous risk on an island.

It actually supported my point while I was saying its unreliable. Duh.


That is my point, you are basing your argument on stats from a site that has obvious inaccuracies.

I didn't say Butler was clearly better, I said Cromartie getting 5 Ints in 2 years refutes your argument.


Go ask any fan is not in my list of valid arguments.

A- You said you didnt watch Butler play so how do you know who he covered?
B- The stats are not proven accurate
There are many quesitons that need to be answered in how they are compiled
What was the coverage?
How do they determine who to charge the catch agaisnt?
If it is in between a zone, do you charge the corner, safety, LB? Whoever makes the tackle?
Are they just using the stats of the player lined up against that guy?
Was there help?
Was it in prevent defense?

You simply cannot rely totally on stats if you have no idea how they were compiled.

Scheme and pass rush are weak arguments. The fact is he lost his job and was not wanted. The primary reasons cited were that he doesn't follow instuction, plays whatever D he feels, gambles too much, and is apparently unwilling to tackle.
I think you got a stiff.



A- if you are going to jusge players by awards you are flawed from the start
B- Mayo was injured. You dont usually earn awards when you miss time for an injury and are slowed because you come back a month early
Your argument was 'he makes more game changing plays' aka "i said so'. Then you added sacks to compare against a guy who was rarely asked to rush the passer. How do you expect Mayo to get sacks in coverage?

Again, your argument "I said so" sprinkled in that mine must be bad because Mayo is a Patriot.
If Patriot fans opinions of Patriots are irrelevant isn't your opinion of Jets irrelevant.
The playing field needs to be relevant, and you are starting to sound like a troll, who screams how great the jets are on a patriot board them dismisses a counterargument because it could only be biased.

Since when is evaluation based on stats? What have I evaluated based on stats? Stats are a horrendous method of comparing players. They are instructive as a starting point, at least for a few positions.
My use of stats is to refute stats that you started with.

Again, you are sounding very trollish.
If your argument is going to follow the pattern of
-You make a statement
-Someone disagrees
-You act like your statement is the most honest, unbiased and honorable ever made and any reply by a Patriot fan is unfounded, biased and jaded.

Then why bother.

eom

you are not posting insights of which I admire.

use of the word 'obviously' is probably followed by failure 99% of the time on the internet, and possibly everywhere else.

Sivy

Tom Brady, wes welker and Randy Moss are better than any one player the jets have. That is the reason why they are better than the jets. (well, one of many reasons)

Let me ask you this..straight up..would you trade revis for tom brady?

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"The people who are claiming that the Pats are dead are the same ones who would go up and check if Jason Voorhees is "really" dead by leaning over his body." -Someone at jetnation.

Brady2Welker

Jet hype mixed with this thread is now vomit inducing, so I'm just gonna spend the rest of the offseason talking about how Tim Tebow is a Joe Montana/Steve Young combo of ultra-non choking, infinitely mobile, laser arm QB. . Honestly, the Jets might look decent but the dynasty of Tebow will never let them past the AFCCG. Tim Tebow; bringing God and the power run game to Denver

Rex Ryan's Gut

I wouldn't. Revis is 24 and Brady is 32(?)

Sivy

And? Brett Farve proved that qbs can play untill atleast 40. Tom Brady at 32 would give the jets a better chance at a sb than Revis..and isnt it about what you can do for me now.

I bet the jets FO would make the trade in a second.

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"The people who are claiming that the Pats are dead are the same ones who would go up and check if Jason Voorhees is "really" dead by leaning over his body." -Someone at jetnation.

Rex Ryan's Gut

You asked me my take. I gave it to you.

I never want to see Tom Brady on the Jets. Ever.

Brady2Welker

How about the champion, and king, Tim Tebow?

Joker

heh...yeah...you'd much rather have Ducks Hurlington...or better yet..Browning Nagle...no doubt THE most moronic fanbase in ANY sport history..The New York "2nd rate tenants" Jets.