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Old 10-24-2008, 06:15 PM   #21
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I think NFL_Truth is going to be pissed (as will the rest of Colts Nation & Manning Lovers) when he sees the site I'm going to be launching soon

Get ready Patriots Nation...we'll get the last laugh

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Care to throw us a hint? I am very intrigued.

Oh, and NFL_Truth is a f tard, but we all knew that. And the Broncos salary cap fine was bigger than the Pats and BB's fines combine. Dummy.
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Old 10-24-2008, 09:42 PM   #22
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In a September 2006 memorandum sent out by NFL Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson, though, all teams were told that "videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

#1: The Patriots cameraman were kicked out of Lambeau field during the 2006 season and had his video tape taken away because his camera was pointed at the packers sideline before the game begun. Due to this inccident and rumors the Pats had been illegally videotaping opponents, the NFL sent a memo out to all 32 NFL teams prior to the 2007 season warning them that they could not point camera's at opponents sidelines.

#2: The Patriots ignored this order and decided to videotape the Jets signals in week 1 of the 2007 season and were caught for the first time.

#3: The c'mish met with Bill Bellichick and he admitted that he had been videotaping since 2000 as he was unaware it violated league rules. This was an obvious lie as anyone can tell, but none the less, he was orderedto hand over all notes, tapes, and info recieved from spying and he did. The NFL then destroyed all of the evidence. (And admitted to doing so).

#4: The Patriots were fined 250k, Bellichick 500k, and stripped of their first round draft pick. These were by far the heaviest fines in NFL history and never before had any team done anything bad enough to be stripped a draft pick. We have to use common sense here. The Patriots are a brilliant organization and Bellichick is a genius, you agree right? So why would they risk all of this for something that would not be a major benefit? The answer is they would not as it was a crucial factor in them winning those games. They took an educated risk and reaped the rewards of 3 SB's for doing so without ever being caught in that span.

#5: Arlen Spector thought the way the NFL handled the situation was odd, and he was right. The c'mish never talked to Tom Brady. Odd that he wouldn't even investigate enough and talk to the first player in on the entire situation. He also found it odd that they would destroy all of the evidence so quickly and not come forward to what was on the tapes they destroyed. The reason the NFL did this was to play down the fiasco as much as possible. The more the Pats could be exposed as cheaters would hurt the league's reputation as they have been the face of the NFL for a long time now.

#6: Matt Walsh had some tapes he kept after being fired from the Patriots. Bellichick claimed he didnt know him and you could bearly pick him out of a lineup, then photographs surfaced featuring the two together to once again expose Bellichick's dishonesty. The fact that he did not have SB tapes is not relivant because Belichick admited to videotaping during that time. What people don't understand is that they would not likely keep any such evidence after using it. Think about it? If you cheated in the SB, would you keep the tapes and risk exposure or would you destory the evidence? Duh...regardless the NFL destroyed what was left and all Walsh had was some extra tapes left over.

So as you can see, The Patriots did not cheat in only once game. Walsh had tapes from two AFC Championship games for what its worth, but Bellichick admitted to videotaping throughout those 6 years anyway. So the Patriots cheated in a total of 111 games as admitted by Bellichick with all tapes destoryed (admittedly so) and never revealed to the public.

The thought of thinking that they cheated only once and there is no evidence to the contrary is laughable but hey, I guess you try to believe what you got to believe to prevent the shame that this brings.

For what its worth, all of this has nothing to do with Randy Moss who has "never" cheated. The Reason the Pats did so well last year is mostly thanks to Moss and what he did to that offense, as he's made many other offenses and QB's look better then they really are. And dont ever discount the mass amount of knowledge that can be aquired from cheating in that mannor for 6 straight years. Brady knows more about most defenses then any other QB would aquire in 20 years due to the plethora of knowledge that could only be attained so quick thru cheating.
old news.....and not 100% accurate. i am not going to try and change your mind though, it seems the people who keep bringing up spygate feel that the way they look at it is the truth of the situation, even if it is not.
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I apologize for my absense, but the NFL Truth has returned to give you the facts.

1: Other teams have cheated, tried to read coaches lips, etc. But never before has a team ever taken such a big advantage by incorporating videotapes into the mix, also no team has ever gained so much from cheating.

2: The rule was not unclear but it was because the Patriots had gained a reputation for pushing the envelope, they sent out a memo to directly state it to every team, the same information had always been present, the memo was a reminder because they wanted to Pats to stop. The NFL did not want the Patriots to get caught and have it smeared all over the media so they tried to stop it before the cat got out of the bag. Unfortunatley the Patriots needed to cheat and would never give up their advantage.

3: In regards to their accomplishments of the 2007 season, they had gained many outside players who wanted to come play for a team with a winning tradition, a winning tradition that could not have been reached without cheating. Also, their current players, especially Brady learned more about defensive coverages in 6 years of cheating then most 15 year Vets because he was the only QB to get to see that side of coverages attained thru illegal means. The combination of knowledgeable coaches and players influenced thru illegal means and star players coming in from others made the Patriots a tough team to beat, certainly didnt hurt playing in the weakest division in football.

So as you can see my mis-guided friends, these are the facts. 100% True as brought to you by the great NFL Truth.
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I apologize for my absense, but the NFL Truth has returned to give you the facts.

1: Other teams have cheated, tried to read coaches lips, etc. But never before has a team ever taken such a big advantage by incorporating videotapes into the mix, also no team has ever gained so much from cheating.

2: The rule was not unclear but it was because the Patriots had gained a reputation for pushing the envelope, they sent out a memo to directly state it to every team, the same information had always been present, the memo was a reminder because they wanted to Pats to stop. The NFL did not want the Patriots to get caught and have it smeared all over the media so they tried to stop it before the cat got out of the bag. Unfortunatley the Patriots needed to cheat and would never give up their advantage.

3: In regards to their accomplishments of the 2007 season, they had gained many outside players who wanted to come play for a team with a winning tradition, a winning tradition that could not have been reached without cheating. Also, their current players, especially Brady learned more about defensive coverages in 6 years of cheating then most 15 year Vets because he was the only QB to get to see that side of coverages attained thru illegal means. The combination of knowledgeable coaches and players influenced thru illegal means and star players coming in from others made the Patriots a tough team to beat, certainly didnt hurt playing in the weakest division in football.

So as you can see my mis-guided friends, these are the facts. 100% True as brought to you by the great NFL Truth.

It's pretty transparent that you've got no comeback to the numerous detailed responses here - and the challenges that you aren't presenting facts but opinion and speculation, but in response to your points:

#1 - If you have some additional evidence please come forward and give it to the commissioner - otherwise you're just blabbering speculation - not to mention ignoring the other NFL coaches that have come forward to admit they engaged in the same practice as Belichick.

#2 - The NFL itself admits that the rule was unclear prior to their clarifying memo. Your #2 seems like its gone through great pains not to admit this "fact" and exonnerate Belichick for interpreting an unclear rule prior to the 2006 memo.

#3 - Actually I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with #3 - you might want to pay more attention in your Middle School English class in the future. Perhaps you're making the point that BEFORE the Jets game when the Patriots were "cheating" they had a much worse record than AFTER Spygage - when they had a perfect regular season.

So if you're pointing out that the Patriots did better without cheating - Bravo, and thanks for reminding us of that!

Apparently you've got no response to all those who rebuked your previous "Facts" so I guess we can consider "Idiotgate" - also known as "NFL Truth's Pitiful Attempt to Talk Smack in a Pats Forum" - as closed.

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Patriots are the only team to cheat to that extent-fact.

Belichick admitted to cheating for 6 seasons, 127 total games-fact

only a moron could "mis-interpret" the obvious-fact

Belicheat is no moron-fact

Belicheat knew it was illeagal and continued-fact

Other coaches have not admited to doing "exactly" the same-fact

Patriots are the only team caught doing this in 87-years-fact

Patriots aquired unfair knowledge thru cheating that aided them in 2007-fact

Tom Brady faked an injury before the SB that he lost-fact

Enjoy more facts from the most educated football fan of all time-fact

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Patriots are the only team to cheat to that extent-fact.

Belichick admitted to cheating for 6 seasons, 127 total games-fact

only a moron could "mis-interpret" the obvious-fact

Belicheat is no moron-fact

Belicheat knew it was illeagal and continued-fact

Other coaches have not admited to doing "exactly" the same-fact

Patriots are the only team caught doing this in 87-years-fact

Patriots aquired unfair knowledge thru cheating that aided them in 2007-fact

Tom Brady faked an injury before the SB that he lost-fact

Enjoy more facts from the most educated football fan of all time-fact


Do you have a split personality? Because you're arguing with yourself, and obviously can't read.

Aside from the fact that you stated that Belichick has been breaking a 2006 rule for 6 years, read this article to familiarize yourself with the 87 years of NFL history you know nothing about.

Lee Grosscup - Spying in Pro Football - SPORT magazine - thesportgallery.com

Here's a tip - try not to let your lips move while reading. It will take you that much longer.

I say keep on posting though - you have a great way of making Patriots fans feel superior to other team fans.

Care to share with us who YOU root for just so we know what "smart" team fans you represent?

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I'm from Boston duh...I'm a Pats fan. That's why you dont see the fun of it. I knowmy team cheated but i think its great. Did that make us the best football team during those years? No, but we got away with it and thats what counts. And for what its worth, the videotaping rules have been in place far before 2006, it was just after our team pushed the envelope that those punks in the NFL office decided to hunt us down.
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Be careful backtracking, you might trip.........

Listen, no disrespect. Spygate was so......... last year dude. Did you just wake up from a coma? Seriously?
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Patriots are the only team to cheat to that extent-fact.

Belichick admitted to cheating for 6 seasons, 127 total games-fact

only a moron could "mis-interpret" the obvious-fact

Belicheat is no moron-fact

Belicheat knew it was illeagal and continued-fact

Other coaches have not admited to doing "exactly" the same-fact

Patriots are the only team caught doing this in 87-years-fact

Patriots aquired unfair knowledge thru cheating that aided them in 2007-fact

Tom Brady faked an injury before the SB that he lost-fact

Enjoy more facts from the most educated football fan of all time-fact

this can't be real, he has to be messing with us
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