Zappe waived (Edit: so was Malik!)

[h0c2000]

Trevor Siemen is a garbage NFL quarterback who lost his last 10 starts and singlehandedly sunk the Saints 2021 season.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

opening day at gillette, loud speakers and 100 million dollar big screen pumping up the return of Tom Brady as a send off...

Only.... out of the tunnel emerges a fully uniformed Tom Brady, strapped up with black eye paint, all proper paperwork signed and official... AND DOMINATES THE EAGLES AS ONE FINAL SEND OFF TO ALL OF HIS BELOVED NEW ENGLANDERS 58-3

What a legend!

I’m telling you I got a little moist thinking about that…

 

[amfootball]

Then why not keep him through cutdowns and waive him if they find someone better? Or find someone better from the likely to be cut people and throw a low draft pick for him?

I'm not going overboard and I don't care that much, but I think backup QB is kind of important and wish it seemed like they had a real plan in place.

That's the bigger issue IMO. No plan.

 

[1960Pats]

No problem here re Zappe. If he clears waivers, he'll either be on the PS or back where he was, sitting there waiting for Mac to get steamrolled behind Bill's Random Selection of Fat Guys, aka the O-line.. This move suggests they might want him on the practice squad. If he doesn't clear waivers (unlikely, I think), then I thought they could just bring in some vet with a little gas left in the tank and either put HIM on the PS or make him the backup. If after all that, we end up w/ no on-the-roster backup...well, who knows. Maybe something is in the works; maybe it isn't. I wish they had kept Malik on the roster tbh. He didn't help himself by being so abysmal as a receiver. The edgy move, which I kinda like, would have been to have Malik serve as backup, which could give him enough work to develop as a qb, given the team some valuable looks in practice when they were to face a "mobile qb,", and so on. Then, if that were a bust (if "edgy" turned out to be "stupid," which can happen), or maybe just premature, you snag your oldster/Zappe (whichever you end up with) off the PS, and then, Malik's stock at that point having fallen, you take a chance on waivers. I think it somewhat likely some other team will now pick him up, which I think is regrettable, but not the end of the world. Malik is a project, yep, but a very interesting one. I'm hoping the O-line is not so bad that the season resembles Joe Louis' Bum of the Month thing: each week a new lamb to the slaughter.

For some reason this post got me thinking about Matthew Slater, another player like Cunningham who isn't really a WR. Why not put Slater on waivers and keep both of them? Cunningham could learn to be a QB while Slater keeps providing his ST play and leadership.

 

[Bill Lee]

Yeah, I know that's right, but I am just wondering when they started feeling that way about Bailey was. Was it only at the end of camp? Was it in the middle of camp? Was it after spring workouts?

SF says they only felt Darnold passed Lance about 10 days before they cut Lance.

Point is, things change rapidly.

What he did or didn't do last year doesn't matter much, especially not to BOB who wasn't here last year.

It just seems like we're now at a place where if something goes wrong with Mac, we're either dumbing down the offense for Bailey, who they obviously don't feel great about, or some retread who hasn't succeeded anywhere else to even be some other team's QB2 or QB3. I just wish they had gone after someone else sooner.

It would matter more if this team was closer to being a SB contender.

Since we're not, finding the right piece long term is more important.

As I wrote earlier, this seems to me to be the Pats way of saying they just ain't in to Zappe as much as people think.

It's a message to one and all that they are looking for an upgrade, IMO.

 

[Brewskies]

Nah, he’s done. After as much **** as you just talked about him since he left, I’m surprised you’re even posting this. Or was it a joke?

Surprise Surprise probably better than Flute at this time. Joking.

 

[mike_usagisan]

It would matter more if this team was closer to being a SB contender.

Since we're not, finding the right piece long term is more important.

I see your point, but I don't buy it. Bill always pointed to the Colts sucking for Luck and saying the Pats would go down fighting. I think you're right about them turning on Zappe quickly and needing a better plan longterm, but I don't think they'd be so cavalier about not needing a better backup this year.

I think I agree with @Rob0729 that AJ McCarron might make the most sense because of his familiarity with BOB and the offense. Bring him in to compete with Bailey and see who can run the offense most smoothly if Mac goes down.

 

[AQPE]

Who was it who used to say, "That's a spicy meat-uh-ball"? Dean Martin?

Someone beat me to it about the Alia Seltzer commercial. See you on the shuffleboard court, don’t miss the “early bird special.”

 

[Real fan 02]

it is what it is... the 53 is set for now, will wait and see how much manipulation can be done... you can tell that changes will be made over the next week given the size of some of the position groups



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Absolutely changes are sure to be made. Buy per NFL rules all teams have to have as you know the 53 Man roster set by the deadline. So I mentioned that that is likely why that move was made. Obviously we aren't going into the season with 1 QB. No running back depth.

I'm trying to be optimistic here.. just the uncertainty with the O line is a concern.

 

[1960Pats]

That says something that the Patriots are incapable of even finding what they consider to be a competent back up for Mac Jones, who may be a middler QB himself.

If those college coaches started teaching QBs to play from the pocket instead of trying to win games and keep their jobs, the NFL would have enough to go around... maybe.

 

[Ring 6]

I hope he has a huge chip on his shoulder and uses it to get better.

That isn’t a real thing. People don’t not care then suddenly care once they face the consequences they always knew they were facing.
I’m not sure where the idea comes from that Zappe could be better but just doesn’t care to be.

 

[Steve102]

Anyone got Ryan Mallet or Kevin O'Connell's phone number? . . . no? . . Rohan Davey's? . . . Michael Bishop's? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Hugh Millen's?

Eff Hugh Millenated.

 

[sb1]

Zappe will clear waivers. Not as sure Cunningham will.

 

[Bill Lee]

I see your point, but I don't buy it. Bill always pointed to the Colts sucking for Luck and saying the Pats would go down fighting. I think you're right about them turning on Zappe quickly and needing a better plan longterm, but I don't think they'd be so cavalier about not needing a better backup this year.

I think I agree with @Rob0729 that AJ McCarron might make the most sense because of his familiarity with BOB and the offense. Bring him in to compete with Bailey and see who can run the offense most smoothly if Mac goes down.

It's kind of the trend line, though.

Remember how late in camp it was that BB brought in Cam Newton?

BB seems to be OK with being cavalier.

Hopefully, there is method to the madness.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Yeah, I know that's right, but I am just wondering when they started feeling that way about Bailey was. Was it only at the end of camp? Was it in the middle of camp? Was it after spring workouts?

It just seems like we're now at a place where if something goes wrong with Mac, we're either dumbing down the offense for Bailey, who they obviously don't feel great about, or some retread who hasn't succeeded anywhere else to even be some other team's QB2 or QB3. I just wish they had gone after someone else sooner.

If they felt like that about Zappe before camp there is no way in my mind that they would have Zappe throw as many passes as they did.

I think Zappe start of camp was fine. In my view his play started to dip when the OL injuries started happening and he was protected by the 3rd stringers. I find fascinating that we are continuously talking on this forum about the OL state and how it could derail Mac season but at the same time glossing over the fact that Zappe was protected by subpar players and it had somehow 0 impact on Zappe play.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

From the top of my head if I remember correctly they’ve done that multiple times with Hoyer.

Yeah and they didn’t care if Hoyer came back or not.

Hopefully someone claims Zappe so we can end the stupidity that waiving a guy you wanted was some kind of genius move.

They’d rather keep a backup to the backup to the backup OL than Zappe, they don’t view him as important and if he gets claimed they’ll just sign some other JAG backup.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Surprise Surprise probably better than Flute at this time. Joking.

Tom Kardashian was a great name. That was a good thread.

 

[moosekill]

Regardless, the O-line play led to poor play by Zappe. SInce he played poorly, he diminished the chance that another team would be interested in him. So the Patriots can protect another player and then ir him and bring back Zappe. Probably why the O-line sucked.

Pure genious!

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

For some reason this post got me thinking about Matthew Slater, another player like Cunningham who isn't really a WR. Why not put Slater on waivers and keep both of them? Cunningham could learn to be a QB while Slater keeps providing his ST play and leadership.

I'm guessing cap issues, dead money, guaranteed salary etc.

yup, OTC confirms

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Matt Slater contract and salary cap details, including signing bonus, guaranteed salary, dead money, roster bonuses, and contract history

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cutting Slater would cause a $2.6 mil dead money and add $1.3 mil to the cap, so that was never going to happen, plus his salary is guaranteed, so you would have to pay him and then sign him to a new deal.

 

[Patsfan1958]

Sorry if this has been posted before..