Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by PATSNUTme, Apr 26, 2011.
Two outside linebackers picked (DE/OLB), but none in the top 50 picks.
BB picks Wilkerson at 17, which is widely regarded as a reach by 'analysts'.
I think the Pats roll the dice on a player whose stock has tumbled due to injury or physical concerns, and I think they do it near the beginning of the draft. These gambles have paid off for them in a big way recently.
Rob Gronkowski (missed entire senior season.)
Brandon Tate (missed most of senior season with knee injury.)
Brandon Spikes (not really an injury, but stock plummeted due to bad combine.)
Aaron Hernandez (character concerns, and also I'm guessing other concerns, as he fell that low.)
With all of these players, the Pats looked at their football and leadership skills rather than some of the other factors. I expect that their are some candidates that may fall to 17 due to an overreaction:
-Robert Quinn (missed senior season due to lame suspension.)
-Da' Quan Bowers (concerns about injuries)
I see the Pats getting a huge name player early on, and perhaps even after trading down.
Cam Jordan and Mark Ingram.
It is hard to argue with this; totally plausible and logical....but BB has a way of doing the mysterious (at least at the time).
I am thinking that they take an early CB who could also play safety or just a safety....
I take your two and raise you to three, albeit two in the 7th
My binky pick is Jurrell Casey. This kid is being overlooked big time. This man is a mountain in the Wilfork mold. Non-stop motor, great attitude, a rock at the line, great hands, and a player who can shed a double-team to stop a run is something you can never discount.
BB has said that you can never have enough pure NT, and if we get this kid, Wilfork can swing out to end more often. We could snag him in the early goings of round 2.
YouTube - USC DT #91 Jurrell Casey Highlights 2010
If Fairley falls past the Titans he will be a Patriot. Most of you will hate that prediction.
Interesting premise. On paper the primary difference would seem to be the extra 23 pounds of beef and 10 repetitions at 225 lbs. Big Vince brought to the bargaining table. That and a first round projection vs. third round projection. I must confess I failed to mistake Casey watching a couple of his games, good luck though.
Was arrested on two different occasions while at Colorado. Separately, admitted at the combine that he failed two seperate drug tests while at Colorado. PFW describes him as "has a posse of hangers on, and an inflated opinion of himself. Not accountable".
Sounds like a Bill Belichick kind of player. Not.
True, but I think you would agree that weight and strength are things that can always be improved.
They are tied in the broad jump but Casey has Vince beat in speed and agility (3 cone, vertical, etc).
But I have no idea what his intelligence score is, or his football aptitude is- or what his character is, all things that BB values highly, so we'll see what happens.
here are two predictions that WILL happen...mark it down.
Pats move up and get Quinn from NC
Pats WILL draft Mark Herzlich
How high will we have to go for Quinn? #6? Is he really worth multiple potential players?
What am I missing?
And do what, make him the slowest ST coverage man in the NFL?
Painful thought if we drafted Herzlich:
Spikes and Herzlich trying to catch Ray Rice on a sweep run to their side of the field.
WR Edmond Gates in the 3rd
No, he's not a good route runner - but he can catch both the screen as well as a simple deep ball, and has the speed to beat his coverage.
Add him to the rest of the offense and DCs are going to have seizures. Should be there in the 3rd.
This guy sounds like Chad Jackson the second. The only seizures DC"s are going to have are from laughing too much when Gates runs a bad route and causes Brady to get picked.
I'm not sure what reference you are using, but NFL Draft Scout shows Vince's Pro-Day as 26" v, 4.50 ss, 7.62 3-c vs. Casey's 27.5" v, 4.78 ss, 7.51 3-c at the Combine. This is where you and I start diverging again, Wilfork, 23 lbs heavier, is much quicker laterally (short shuttle) by nearly three tenths of a second, which is a measure I find more significant for a guy playing in the middle of the action. Imagine strapping 23 lbs around Casey's waste and I'm willing to bet his vertical jump is no better than Wilfork's. Which leaves a slight 3-cone advantage to Casey - yet I again consider that Wilfork did it with the extra weight.
Casey is a good athlete, perhaps he could bulk up a bit and do as well, but it's not apples to apples here in measurables. Then you factor in what you see in the games (not youtube, I refuse to watch youtube because it is highlights, it doesn't show what a player is doing play in, play out and I need to see that), at this point most draftnik sites have Casey a couple rounds later than Wilfork went because of what they saw in the games. If I was Indy I'd be looking hard at him, for NE, I don't see the fit. Now, I didn't see Myron Pryor coming either; he's a much more linear athlete who demonstrated some impressive explosiveness with a 30" v at 319. Because he's stiffer, not as agile, he went in the 6th, but apparently he was terrific at technique to go with his explosiveness.
Like I say, good luck, I just don't see the Wilfork comparison, nor the fit with NE. Somebody like Indy, like Tampa, will probably pick him up as a platoon player. Bill Parcels is talking about "Does Not Fit" for us right this moment, that's how I see Casey for NE.
Is Casey another version of Pryor?
I agree and I also think we will have 4 picks in the second round this year and and get an additional 1 and 2 next year
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