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[Mike the Brit]

To the people that want a WR. Would you trade 21 for DK or Terry?

To the people that want a CB. Would you trade 21 for AJ Terrell? Broke out last year, tied for CB3 when I graded him coming out.

Take a page from the Rams or no?

Just throwing it out there.

That's all very well, but how would you pay them? I'm afraid that this year will have to be JAGs and rookies.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

That's all very well, but how would you pay them? I'm afraid that this year will have to be JAGs and rookies.

In American dollars mate

 

[PWRxWLF]

To the people that want a WR. Would you trade 21 for DK or Terry?

To the people that want a CB. Would you trade 21 for AJ Terrell? Broke out last year, tied for CB3 when I graded him coming out.

Take a page from the Rams or no?

Just throwing it out there.

Oh. Damn, that’s a tough one. If I knew that the player was going to be signed in a non cap busting long term deal, maybe? That’s tough. That first rd draft pick could be traded for additional draft picks and lead to 2-3 impact players. Ugh.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I know we're not in the exact Rams situation but you get the point. Not to you Holy but reading that back sounded stupid. Rams were obviously all in. You get a known player that's already had success in a position that either needs filling now or next year. Two established positions, arguably of need.

Oh. Damn, that’s a tough one. If I knew that the player was going to be signed in a non cap busting long term deal, maybe? That’s tough. That first rd draft pick could be traded for additional draft picks and lead to 2-3 impact players. Ugh.

You probably wouldn't have to break the bank for either WR. Think Terry would command more but I can't see either getting a huge deal. AJ is getting paid if he balls out again though.

Ideally that's what you want. However you don't always get 2-3 impact platers in one draft all together. Nevermind from one trade.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

To the people that want a WR. Would you trade 21 for DK or Terry?

To the people that want a CB. Would you trade 21 for AJ Terrell? Broke out last year, tied for CB3 when I graded him coming out.

Take a page from the Rams or no?

Just throwing it out there.

Aj terrell in a Heartbeat

 

[PWRxWLF]

I know we're not in the exact Rams situation but you get the point. Not to you Holy but reading that back sounded stupid. Rams were obviously all in. You get a known player that's already had success in a position that either needs filling now or next year. Two established positions, arguably of need.

You probably wouldn't have to break the bank for either WR. Think Terry would command more but I can't see either getting a huge deal. AJ is getting paid if he balls out again though.

Ideally that's what you want. However you don't always get 2-3 impact platers in one draft all together. Nevermind from one trade.

After having a moment to think about, definitely for Terrell. Not interested in Metcalf. When you say Terry, you’re talking about McLaurin, right? Wanna make sure I’m not thinking of the wrong person. If you’re talking scary terry, then yeah. I’d do it for him as well.

 

[PWRxWLF]

I know we're not in the exact Rams situation but you get the point. Not to you Holy but reading that back sounded stupid. Rams were obviously all in. You get a known player that's already had success in a position that either needs filling now or next year. Two established positions, arguably of need.

You probably wouldn't have to break the bank for either WR. Think Terry would command more but I can't see either getting a huge deal. AJ is getting paid if he balls out again though.

Ideally that's what you want. However you don't always get 2-3 impact platers in one draft all together. Nevermind from one trade.

After having a moment to think about, definitely for Terrell. Not interested in Metcalf. When you say Terry, you’re talking about McLaurin, right? Wanna make sure I’m not thinking of the wrong person. If you’re talking scary terry, then yeah. I’d do it for him as well.

 

[Mike the Brit]

In American dollars mate

Oh, you mean those things they didn't have enough of to keep Shaq Mason with? Right you are, chief!

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

That's all very well, but how would you pay them? I'm afraid that this year will have to be JAGs and rookies.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Oh, you mean those things they didn't have enough of to keep Shaq Mason with? Right you are, chief!

We all started a collection

 

[jays52]

Ideally that's what you want. However you don't always get 2-3 impact platers in one draft all together. Nevermind from one trade.

Interesting point towards that as well is the monetary cost. They don't usually end up extending their guys after their rookie deals are up, and the ones they do they generally give top (1-5) of the market deals to. So essentially you are trading four years of low cost but with 50% probability for a known player and the back half of their prime. Interesting to think about.

 

[p8ryts]

No for me. Let's hold the course. The young LB types have to step up. Hopefully we sign Flowers and Hicks, draft a DT, LB, CB and WR.

I think the last really good interior we had was Hicks and Branch

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think the last really good interior we had was Hicks and Branch

Maybe Hicks, Jones, and Barmore would be good.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I made the QB thing. More or less ... Idk ...

 

[p8ryts]

I made the QB thing. More or less ... Idk ...

Joe Burrow is black?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Interesting point towards that as well is the monetary cost. They don't usually end up extending their guys after their rookie deals are up, and the ones they do they generally give top (1-5) of the market deals to. So essentially you are trading four years of low cost but with 50% probability for a known player and the back half of their prime. Interesting to think about.

Esp when you consider the WR history. I'm just saying if that's what they're looking at in terms of a top 50 pick I wouldn't be mad at using a 1st a on AJ or 2nd on Terry. Obviously we have to pay them but that's kind of the idea with really good players.

Again I'm just bored and what the heck might as well ramble on ...
FA is for plugging holes. People freak out here every off-season but it's actually good you're not overpaying every single year.
Looking back last year wasn't that bad at all. But FA is to plug holes with players who excel in your specific system to get the most bang. Very rarely do true elite superstars hit FA so you're always overpaying for that next tier and not getting value most of the time. Plus in most cases you're not getting younger. So the best you're getting are solid doubles, maybe a triple. A couple home runs but those are few & far between.

There are many different ways to approach the draft. BPA, Value/Need (value groupings), BPA at premier positions ... We got away with a lot bc of what Brady could do. It didn't matter if we struck out or hit singles. Brady made it happen. I think it's easier to swing for the fences in the draft as opposed to FA or trade. And when you hit a home run its more like a grand slam bc the contract(s).

I think we should be looking to hit more home runs since Brady isn't here anymore. The drop off from Tom to even a legit top ten QB is huge. There's a gap there. You can't just expect it happen on tradition anymore. We have no more wishes from that genie.

Now this doesn't mean trading up for WR's. Or every big name player or prospect. It could be a DL'm or Saf. What it does mean is that we have follow through when the opportunity presents itself. Or take a shot on some of those tingling feelings once every 10 tingles.

Idk just some thoughts on moving forward

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Joe Burrow is black?

oh he's invited to the cookout

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

"Belichick is negotiating directly with the team’s top targets. Senior consultant Eliot Wolf, an NFL front-office veteran of 20-plus years, is manning the phones for other external free agents. New director of player personnel Matt Groh has shouldered some of the load while conducting a Pro Day tour, having already sealed a few re-signings."

According to one agent, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, the Patriots raised their offer significantly for an elite offensive client who signed a similar contract elsewhere, but was not drawn there by the money. This account reveals a willingness to expend cash and cap space, even while it runs contrary to several other negotiations where the Pats have refused to pony up for mid-level free agents.

“They have a cheap problem,” another player’s agent said."

"The Pats have not been boxed in by their limited cap space, but the NFL salary cap is also not “crap.” Phrases like “the cap is crap” might make for fun talk radio, but are completely useless when trying to understand the innerworkings of league business."

"The Pats have paid for familiarity and trust. These are not only starting players, but culture drivers and value signings. With only $10 million in cap space to start the week, the Pats chased low-ceiling, high-floor deals to maintain their collective floor as a fringe playoff team.

There's a fair argument to be made for continuity and retaining leadership. Despite a massive influx of new talent last year, the Patriots started 2-4 as they assimilated new faces, then stumbled at the finish, losing four of their last five.

Players later admitted they failed to raise their level of intensity down the stretch. No one in the locker room understands what winning requires better than three-time Super Bowl champions like McCourty, Slater and White. With them back in the building, the Pats are betting their odds of another collapse will be lower in 2022 -- even if their chances at a long playoff run have fallen, too."

"Even with obvious roster holes, the Pats have stuck to their long-held beliefs about positional spending in free agency. They do not pay top dollar for No. 1 wide receivers -- not even Randy Moss or Brandin Cooks -- preferring to spread money out at the position. Entering last offseason, their average league ranking in single-season spending on wide receivers was 14th over the past eight years.

The same holds true for linebackers, where they ranked 12th, and cornerback at 17th. New inside linebacker Mack Wilson arrived with a 1-year, non-guaranteed $2.54 million base salary, while free-agent corner Terrance Mitchell signed a 1-year, $1.75 million pact."


This is what I've been saying since last summer. 2021 was seeing what have in Mac & co. First real team post-Brady.

2022 is all about maximizing what we have, tinkering if we can and posturing for 2023.

2023 is as close to "all in" as we'll see. Likely keep / extend Henry, Judon and whoever else we see fit to make a run. This will truly be Mac's team or at least that's the hope.

"Last offseason, the Patriots' structured several of their free-agent contracts to carry minimal cap hits in 2021 and heavier numbers in 2022. This is what's crushing their cap.

But 2023? That's a different story.

The Patriots rank fifth in projected 2023 cap space at $102.5 million. They're also scheduled to carry zero dead money.

So far, none of their free-agent contracts have infringed on that flexibility. They've either struck 1-year deals or 2-year deals where they can cut bait without any serious penalty. The only exception is McCourty's contract, which carries four void years and could inflict a dead cap hit of $9.7 million if it expires next spring.

This is all intentional. The Patriots' 2021 free-agent class was assembled knowing Matthew Judon, Hunter Henry, Jonnu Smith, Nelson Agholor, Jalen Mills and others would all stick for two-plus years. Belichick built that team to free himself for 2023, when the cap would spike due to the influx of new revenue from the league's huge television contracts and gambling money.

All signs point to another splurge next spring. But for now, it's sit tight. Back to business as usual."

 

[patfanken]

The Patriots rank fifth in projected 2023 cap space at $102.5 million. They're also scheduled to carry zero dead money.

So far, none of their free-agent contracts have infringed on that flexibility. They've either struck 1-year deals or 2-year deals where they can cut bait without any serious penalty. The only exception is McCourty's contract, which carries four void years and could inflict a dead cap hit of $9.7 million if it expires next spring.

This is all intentional. The Patriots' 2021 free-agent class was assembled knowing Matthew Judon, Hunter Henry, Jonnu Smith, Nelson Agholor, Jalen Mills and others would all stick for two-plus years. Belichick built that team to free himself for 2023, when the cap would spike due to the influx of new revenue from the league's huge television contracts and gambling money.

All signs point to another splurge next spring. But for now, it's sit tight. Back to business as usual."

This is what I've been saying for a while now. Bill is waiting to see how his FA spending in 2021 will ultimately pan out. Revues are obviously mixed in year one, but often a player can improve greatly in the 2nd year within the system, especially when there is.a rookie QB involved.

Given all the brand name additions to the AFC this FA period, the Pats will be viewed as a fringe playoff team going into the season and I can live with that. But with 102MM in cap space likely and little to none dead money, if the Pats just improve their play and discipline in 2022, they will go all in and fill in all the holes of next season, in the 2023 FA period with Quality FA's.

So normally I'd go nuts if Bill took Jameson with our pick at 21, (btw I'd thrilled if we got him in the 2nd round), this season I'd understand a bit better, This year is all about building to 2023, while striving to win as many games as we can. That being said, I'd much rather go CB, DT in the first 2 rounds. Though I rather end up with 2 picks in the 2nd at 30 something and 40 with an extra pick in the 3rd

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

This is what I've been saying for a while now. Bill is waiting to see how his FA spending in 2021 will ultimately pan out. Revues are obviously mixed in year one, but often a player can improve greatly in the 2nd year within the system, especially when there is.a rookie QB involved.

Given all the brand name additions to the AFC this FA period, the Pats will be viewed as a fringe playoff team going into the season and I can live with that. But with 102MM in cap space likely and little to none dead money, if the Pats just improve their play and discipline in 2022, they will go all in and fill in all the holes of next season, in the 2023 FA period with Quality FA's.

So normally I'd go nuts if Bill took Jameson with our pick at 21, (btw I'd thrilled if we got him in the 2nd round), this season I'd understand a bit better, This year is all about building to 2023, while striving to win as many games as we can. That being said, I'd much rather go CB, DT in the first 2 rounds. Though I rather end up with 2 picks in the 2nd at 30 something and 40 with an extra pick in the 3rd

Yea a good part of this year is seeing who the core will be for the next real run in 23-25.

I listed a see potential partners yesterday I think. Detroit has 32, 34 & 66. I'd gladly trade 21 & 85 for those three. Give me that all day! Who knows maybe Burks or Williams falls to 32?

Seattle has 40 & 41. They have a top ten pick and a mediocre roster. They're a little different and definitely will be moving around imo.

Houston has 37 and arguably the worst roster in the league. Pats connections.

I brought up someone else can't remember.

Cleveland has 44 and no 1st I believe.

I wouldn't mind CB/DL at all.

If indeed we are moving our IDL over guards more. Moving away from okie over tackles we'll be asking more from our edge players since simulated pressure would likely be less. I wouldn't be mad at landing Jermaine Johnson, Walker or even Mafe a little later.