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This is a point we disagree on. It’s not as simple as “they don’t pay free agents” because within the confines of the roster building they do, it just doesn’t look like other teams for many reasons.I get what you're saying...but...I'm still lost as to how you got there...?
I was just saying - and I feel like this is universally known here - they normally don't pay free agents top dollar and I don't think they're going to start now. Not considering they wouldn't pay Brady and the fact they've always made it a philosophy to not devote a high-percentage of cap space to that position.
First we have seen an unprecedented run where the cap wouldn’t allow him to afford his own free agents. As the best team in the league when contracts expire those players command large increases. It’s been a maintaining situation for 20 years out of necessity. There just was the money (acting sensibly) to compete for top dollar free agents. How many seasons was there much money left after retaining there own? Almost every year signing top dollar free agents would have caused them to loose many players.
Brady, contrary to popular belief was paid very well, in the top of QB pay while he was here. So the money devoted to the QB position has always been a very high percentage. Hell in bbs first year Bledsoe became the highest paid player in the league. Brady was always in the top few. I also disagree that belichick wouldn’t pay Brady so he left. Brady left without listening. And he was 43. Not paying a 43 year old isn’t the same as not believing the position should get paid.
AgreeI was just saying right now, they don't have anyone that is starting caliber at this point unless Stidham turns a corner, and I feel like Belichick believes that isn't the case based on how this year played out.
This is where we disagree. I see no reason he won’t pay what it takes. QBs is the most important position. Belichick clearly knows that. Not paying for a QBs would be saying I know it’s the most important position but I don’t care. Negligent. That’s not the bb I’ve seen.If they're not going to overpay for a top-tier guy (whoever that might be), they could be among the bottom QB wise within the division depending on how things go
there was no choice this year due to a combination of no viable QB being available and no cap room to pay him if he were....sort of like how they finished this season if the guy they want in the draft isn't there again and if they take a shot at a lower-tiered free agent QB who struggles in his first season here.
Think about that statement. If the man running the show knows QB is the most important position on the field, QB play is entirely uncertain and he refuses to sign one without 100% certainly, he sucks at making football decisions.And here, I was just saying again that they don't pay top dollar for someone unless they're 100% confident on the return.
Where I would agree is that there are QBs out there who are vastly overrated and near the top of the pay grade and no he won’t sign one of those just for the sake of adding a name. He will identify the QBs he feels he can win with (and it may conflict with common perception. For example he may feel someone like Mariotta (hypothetically though I doubt he’s a good example) gives him a better chance to win than someone like Stafford because he can execute what we want done better despite the fact that Stafford has a bunch of gaudy hollow stats that make people believe he is a good QB).
I don’t think Jimmy G get extra points for having been here, but it’s possible he evaluates him highly. I think there are a group of QBs that fit that mold where his evaluation is they are more than they have shown the general public just as there are a group people think are good QBs that he wouldn’t want.I think Jimmy might be someone they'd take a risk on there, but outside of that, I think they'd try and find a lower-tiered player or a draft pick.
again we diverge. With a #15 pick to use or trade up with 60 mill in cap space and the clear understanding that the franchise isn’t returning to glory without an effective QB and it is both the biggest weakness and the most important piece for this team, if we end up with crappy QB play in 2021 it absolutely is negligence. It’s knowing exactly what the priority is, having the resources to fix it and abjectly failing. The only exception would be poor and play because of rookie growing pains or of course a QBs injury.Again, like the post above, how that works out would be the question and it's not negligent on Belichick, it just comes down to who is available and how high they're willing to go.
And I feel like you are challenging my opinion as if I have no right to have one. I am not defending anything. I have an opinion and apparently you aren’t understanding what it is do when you reply I restate it to clarify.I feel like you're trying to defend a point where there isn't a hill.
see that what I mean. You’ve said that numerous times and I have clarified numerous timesWe're just having a conversation about what they may/may not do and discussing hypotheticals. I'm not calling Belichick negligent at all.
I am not trying to tell you I know what you think better than you do. I accept that you don’t consider him negligent.
But what I am saying is if your read of his outlook on this is correct I would conclude he is negligent and has become incompetent.
Honestly? Based on what we heard this season, I think he gambled on Brady staying and wasn't really prepared for that possibility and it left him scrambling at the end when he obviously didn't feel comfortable in Stidham and he took a risk on Cam. Through the first couple of weeks, it seemed like a great move. It just didn't work out.
agree although I knew even in the first few weeks it wasn’t working.
So my viewpoint is that he recognizes it as the top priority by a large margin and he has more resources than he has ever had. So he will not rest without fixing the QBs position no matter what it costs.I definitely believe he'll address it this offseason. I just have questions about how and who - which I think more or less describes the feelings of others in here as well.
But it may cost him less than expected because I am positive that his evaluation of available QBs and the markets evaluation are not going to be the same (again for example I am sure he would prefer say Jimmy G to a guy like Stafford even though Stafford would probably command more on the open market).
Perhaps we just need to agree to disagree because I don’t think I can explain my point of view in much greater detail.