Will Mac Jones be the starter after the Bye ?

[PWRxWLF]

If there is a franchise QB available when the Pats pick they should pull the trigger. The problem is that the Pats will have a top 3 pick on a year when there are no sure fire NFL QB's. Pick the new Zack Wilson and we are going to have another 3 years of suck before starting again.

This draft is loaded with solid qb’s. There will no doubt be some busts just like you will have busts at every single position. If you have a chance at a qb you have ranked highly, you have to swing for it. Maye, McCarthy, Daniels all look to be strong first rd talents for us. I’d add Nix to the mix as well but I dont like his age.

 

[PWRxWLF]

This draft is loaded with solid qb’s. There will no doubt be some busts just like you will have busts at every single position. If you have a chance at a qb you have ranked highly, you have to swing for it. Maye, McCarthy, Daniels all look to be strong first rd talents for us. I’d add Nix to the mix as well but I dont like his age.

Then again, this is all assuming that Bill is still the coach. If we change the front office, who knows what system we’ll be running? That would change qb fits pretty drastically. I do think that Daniels is going to be a good fit in just about any system though. He’s either gonna come out on fire like Burrow or need a few yrs to get there. Scouts have their work cut out for them.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think for a first round pick he is fine. For #1 overall, he is a disappointment. But considering the 2021 QB class, he might get a much better grade on a curve.

Either way, my point stands. If you could have Lawrence or three first round picks with at least one of them being fairly high, I would rather have the three first rounders. With a Hill and Waddle to throw to, you could get an average QB and be very successful on offense.

Maybe if I was rooting for a team that was only a QB away, I would feel differently.

I get your point.

My point is if you have a chance to land a franchise QB you grab it with both hands.

 

[Love The Drake]

This draft is loaded with solid qb’s. There will no doubt be some busts just like you will have busts at every single position. If you have a chance at a qb you have ranked highly, you have to swing for it. Maye, McCarthy, Daniels all look to be strong first rd talents for us. I’d add Nix to the mix as well but I dont like his age.

He’s 23

Which I get is old for a rookie.
Daniela is intriguing has Ewers decided one way or another yet?

 

[Love The Drake]

In a perfect world you get Marvin Harrison JR, resign Bourne with a real QB sign Higgins, and another starting calibur wr.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

This draft is loaded with solid qb’s. There will no doubt be some busts just like you will have busts at every single position. If you have a chance at a qb you have ranked highly, you have to swing for it. Maye, McCarthy, Daniels all look to be strong first rd talents for us. I’d add Nix to the mix as well but I dont like his age.

The key here is solid, not spectacular. If picking a QB at the top of the draft, the player needs to be 'guarantied' to add value almost immediately. QB's do need a year or two to develop.

 

[Rob0729]

I get your point.

My point is if you have a chance to land a franchise QB you grab it with both hands.

I wonder how many bad teams did this and actually got a QB really high in the draft who could have been a franchise or even elite QB. But because they had nothing around him and/or they were just a bad organization, they ruined that QB and he turned into a bust. I bet it has happened far more than people realize.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I think we are OK at RB, C, G, Safety, P and CB1....Sheesh thats not good

S and G could be another need if Dugger and Ownenu walk as I expect them to.

K is fine.

Ryland is about the least accurate K in the NFL right now. That’s not opinion, it’s a fact.

His leash will be very short.

This is why the Pats should consider trading down if they have a top 3 pick.

That needs to end. They’ve had too many trade downs over the years and nothing to show for it. I don’t think that’s a risk Bob Kraft is willing to take.

 

[203Pat]

I think we are OK at RB, C, G, Safety, P and CB1....Sheesh thats not good

Not much depth at RB and our center is starting to get up there.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I wonder how many bad teams did this and actually got a QB really high in the draft who could have been a franchise or even elite QB. But because they had nothing around him and/or they were just a bad organization, they ruined that QB and he turned into a bust. I bet it has happened far more than people realize.

I'm sure it's happened. Other times teams trade out of landing a franchise QB and miss out and the other 1st rounders are busts.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not much depth at RB and our center is starting to get up there.

Agree but the author's point was every position is a need and I don't think that's true.

 

[RobertWeathers]

S and G could be another need if Duggar and Ownenu walk as I expect them to.

Maybe.

 

[Rob0729]

I'm sure it's happened. Other times teams trade out of landing a franchise QB and miss out and the other 1st rounders are busts.

But if you look at it, the top QBs taken in the draft are more often than not being busts. Here are the first round QBs over the last ten years. I bolded the guys who are, could be, or were (in Murray's and possibly Watson's cases) franchise QBs. I highlighted the ones that are considered top or even elite QBs in the league. Out of 23 QBs taken in the first round (excluded this year's QBs since it it too early), I would say nine of them were legitimate franchise QBs. I count 16 QBs that I would consider busts or at least major disappointments and I everyone in the 2021 class not named Trevor. Gave Pickett a free pass for now, but he is trending towards bust in a hard way.

2023​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Bryce Young​	Panthers​	Alabama​
	2​	1​	2​	2​	C.J. Stroud​	Texans​	Ohio State​

2022​

1​

1​

20​

20​

Kenny Pickett​

Steelers​

Pittsburgh​

2021​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Trevor Lawrence​	Jaguars​	Clemson​
	2​	1​	2​	2​	Zach Wilson​	Jets​	Brigham Young​
	3​	1​	3​	3​	Trey Lance​	49ers​	North Dakota State​
	4​	1​	11​	11​	Justin Fields​	Bears​	Ohio State​
	5​	1​	15​	15​	Mac Jones​	Patriots​	Alabama​

2020​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Joe Burrow​	Bengals​	Louisiana State​
	2​	1​	5​	5​	Tua Tagovailoa​	Dolphins​	Alabama​
	3​	1​	6​	6​	Justin Herbert​	Chargers​	Oregon​
	4​	1​	26​	26​	Jordan Love​	Packers​	Utah State​

2019​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Kyler Murray​	Cardinals​	Oklahoma​
	2​	1​	6​	6​	Daniel Jones​	Giants​	Duke​
	3​	1​	15​	15​	Dwayne Haskins​	Redskins​	Ohio State​

2018​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Baker Mayfield​	Browns​	Oklahoma​
	2​	1​	3​	3​	Sam Darnold​	Jets​	USC​
	3​	1​	7​	7​	Josh Allen​	Bills​	Wyoming​
	4​	1​	10​	10​	Josh Rosen​	Cardinals​	UCLA​
	5​	1​	32​	32​	Lamar Jackson​	Ravens​	Louisville​

2017​	1​	1​	2​	2​	Mitchell Trubisky​	Bears​	North Carolina​
	2​	1​	10​	10​	Patrick Mahomes​	Chiefs​	Texas Tech​
	3​	1​	12​	12​	Deshaun Watson​	Texans​	Clemson​

2016​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Jared Goff​	Rams​	California​
	2​	1​	2​	2​	Carson Wentz​	Eagles​	North Dakota State​
	3​	1​	26​	26​	Paxton Lynch​	Broncos​	Memphis​

2015​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Jameis Winston​	Buccaneers​	Florida State​
	2​	1​	2​	2​	Marcus Mariota​	Titans​	Oregon​

2014​	1​	1​	3​	3​	Blake Bortles​	Jaguars​	Central Florida​
	2​	1​	22​	22​	Johnny Manziel​	Browns​	Texas A&M​
	3​	1​	32​	32​	Teddy Bridgewater​	Vikings​	Louisville​

013​

1​

1​

16​

16​

EJ Manuel​

Bills​

Florida State​

 

[RobertWeathers]

But if you look at it, the top QBs taken in the draft are more often than not being busts. Here are the first round QBs over the last ten years. I bolded the guys who are, could be, or were (in Murray's and possibly Watson's cases) franchise QBs. I highlighted the ones that are considered top or even elite QBs in the league. Out of 23 QBs taken in the first round (excluded this year's QBs since it it too early), I would say nine of them were legitimate franchise QBs. I count 16 QBs that I would consider busts or at least major disappointments and I everyone in the 2021 class not named Trevor. Gave Pickett a free pass for now, but he is trending towards bust in a hard way.

​

2023​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Bryce Young​	Panthers​	Alabama​
	2​	1​	2​	2​	C.J. Stroud​	Texans​	Ohio State​

​

2022​

1​

1​

20​

20​

Kenny Pickett​

Steelers​

Pittsburgh​

​

2021​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Trevor Lawrence​	Jaguars​	Clemson​
	2​	1​	2​	2​	Zach Wilson​	Jets​	Brigham Young​
	3​	1​	3​	3​	Trey Lance​	49ers​	North Dakota State​
	4​	1​	11​	11​	Justin Fields​	Bears​	Ohio State​
	5​	1​	15​	15​	Mac Jones​	Patriots​	Alabama​

​

2020​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Joe Burrow​	Bengals​	Louisiana State​
	2​	1​	5​	5​	Tua Tagovailoa​	Dolphins​	Alabama​
	3​	1​	6​	6​	Justin Herbert​	Chargers​	Oregon​
	4​	1​	26​	26​	Jordan Love​	Packers​	Utah State​

​

2019​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Kyler Murray​	Cardinals​	Oklahoma​
	2​	1​	6​	6​	Daniel Jones​	Giants​	Duke​
	3​	1​	15​	15​	Dwayne Haskins​	Redskins​	Ohio State​

​

2018​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Baker Mayfield​	Browns​	Oklahoma​
	2​	1​	3​	3​	Sam Darnold​	Jets​	USC​
	3​	1​	7​	7​	Josh Allen​	Bills​	Wyoming​
	4​	1​	10​	10​	Josh Rosen​	Cardinals​	UCLA​
	5​	1​	32​	32​	Lamar Jackson​	Ravens​	Louisville​

​

2017​	1​	1​	2​	2​	Mitchell Trubisky​	Bears​	North Carolina​
	2​	1​	10​	10​	Patrick Mahomes​	Chiefs​	Texas Tech​
	3​	1​	12​	12​	Deshaun Watson​	Texans​	Clemson​

​

2016​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Jared Goff​	Rams​	California​
	2​	1​	2​	2​	Carson Wentz​	Eagles​	North Dakota State​
	3​	1​	26​	26​	Paxton Lynch​	Broncos​	Memphis​

​

2015​	1​	1​	1​	1​	Jameis Winston​	Buccaneers​	Florida State​
	2​	1​	2​	2​	Marcus Mariota​	Titans​	Oregon​

​

2014​	1​	1​	3​	3​	Blake Bortles​	Jaguars​	Central Florida​
	2​	1​	22​	22​	Johnny Manziel​	Browns​	Texas A&M​
	3​	1​	32​	32​	Teddy Bridgewater​	Vikings​	Louisville​

​

013​

1​

1​

16​

16​

EJ Manuel​

Bills​

Florida State​

With what you highlighted teams should never draft a franchise QB because the odds are against that QB becoming an All-Pro.

That is not reality.

 

[venecol]

I’ve shown that even with less than horrific abysmal qb play the losses to wash, Indy, LV are wins and the team is 5-5. With still overall pretty bad qb play.

No you haven't, but we'll never know because it never happened. Team went 1-5 in those Next 6 Games. You lose.

 

[Rob0729]

With what you highlighted teams should never draft a franchise QB because the odds are against that QB becoming an All-Pro.

That is not reality.

I highlighted all the QBs who became franchise QBs, not just the All Pros. Is Jared Goff an All Pro? Trevor Lawrence? I guess you can make an argument I should have highlighted Carson Wentz or Tedy Bridgewater, but they were short term starters and became career back ups or journeymen.

Who did I miss that turned into a franchise starter?

What I pretty much highlighted is first round QB draft picks are more boom or bust type of players. Either you are going to get a potential All Pro or you are getting a bust for the most part. And more often than not, you are more likely to get a bust.

 

[Ring 6]

With what you highlighted teams should never draft a franchise QB because the odds are against that QB becoming an All-Pro.

That is not reality.

There are 32 jobs.
Mac Jones out of all humans is an excellent QB. Compared to the 32 best he sucks.
So any new QB drafted ends up being judged by how he compares to the best 32, or 16, 10, 5, 1 depending upon how you are looking at it.
There is no way the 31 drafted since 2013 are all going to be one of the best and fit any given one becoming one of the best 10 in the world is a huge long shot.
All you can do is take your shot and coach them up.
The fact that our shot in 2020, the consensus 5th choice out of what turned out to be a weak group, failed shouldn’t be a surprise. But what was the alternative? Give up with Stidham?

 

[RIpats88]

No you haven't, but we'll never know because it never happened. Team went 1-5 in those Next 6 Games. You lose.

Yeah well never know and being a 5-5 team isn't the "own" ring 6 is trying to make it be.

Whipeee we are a middling team going nowhere with better QB play

 

[Ring 6]

I highlighted all the QBs who became franchise QBs, not just the All Pros. Is Jared Goff an All Pro? Trevor Lawrence? I guess you can make an argument I should have highlighted Carson Wentz or Tedy Bridgewater, but they were short term starters and became career back ups or journeymen.

Who did I miss that turned into a franchise starter?

What I pretty much highlighted is first round QB draft picks are more boom or bust type of players. Either you are going to get a potential All Pro or you are getting a bust for the most part. And more often than not, you are more likely to get a bust.

It’s the same with every position because you are setting the bar at top 10 (ish) at their position, soon and for a long time. How many first round picks at any position fit that?

 

[sb1]

’ve shown that even with less than horrific abysmal qb play the losses to wash, Indy, LV are wins and the team is 5-5.

Shown? That's your opinion nothing more. Unless you're in some alternate reality where we saw those losses turn to wins? Lol