Why haven't Drake's fundamentals been fixed?

[sb1]

Too funny. If Bill was this awesome QB guru then why couldn’t he develop any other QB?
#IKnowWhy

 

[sb1]

Or it is the head coach like Brady had, BRILLIANT Analysis by Brady on developing QB's. Might be good thing we have Josh. Must watch!

Interesting to hear him credit Drew on offense. Classy.

 

[signbabybrady]

Too funny. If Bill was this awesome QB guru then why couldn’t he develop any other QB?
#IKnowWhy

You don't believe what Brady is saying?

And he developed several other QBs who won double digits, some went to and won playoffs games. Another one even made a SB. Most while he was also busy winning SBs with Brady.

 

[sb1]

Maye is raw. Yes he has issues with his game and they show. These are the growing pains that these young raw QBs go through. Thankfully he has NFL coaching for the first time in his career so let’s see what happens. No guarantees he will work out but I’m not about to toss a talented 22 year old kid aside after a subpar game.

Otherwise that is how this team can quickly become the rest of the division circa 2001-2017.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Ton Brady? Why didn’t we draft that guy instead of Maye?

Seriously, my only hope is that the fan base and media have the patience to allow Maye to develop. He has less than 3/4 of a season of starting experience. Nothing we saw last week should be surprising. We knew Maye had mechanics issues, we knew he makes mistakes trying to play hero ball, we knew he would be the second youngest starter in this league.

The offseason was so exciting that it clouded our understanding of the timelines of Maye’s development. We shifted from expecting a 3-4 year learning curve to expecting success in year two. I’m guilty of this as well. Maye’s development so far compares favorably to Josh Allen’s. Here’s Allen’s 2019 game logs for reference.

Josh Allen Stats 2019 | StatMuse

Josh Allen had a passer rating of 85.3 with 3,089 yards, 20 touchdowns and 9 interceptions in 16 games in 2019.

www.statmuse.com

Allen became elite in year three. So did Stafford. Baker Mayfield emerged as a top 12 guy in year six. Rodgers and Love sat for years. Goff, Geno, Darnold all took several seasons to mature. Fields is in year 5 and, based on Sunday’s performance, could finally be developing into a reliable starter. The point is, the trend of QBs arriving fully formed is still the exception, not the rule.

Nobody wants to wait for this thing to coalesce, but nothing would be worse than watching Maye tearing it up in a Steelers or Colts uniform in 2030. We’re looking at the most physically gifted QB this franchise has ever seen, I just hope the fanbase has the wisdom to wait this out.

I've gotta agree. We need some perspective here. Sure Maye had a bad week1 and he has lots that needs fixing in his game. He's a young QB learning a brand new system and playbook. He needs to work on all aspects of his game.

But I think key right now is for him to become comfortable with the system. Clearly he's not at that comfort level yet. I think once he fully absorbs the system and can start to play instinctively, he will show off his talent in a major way.

Give him time. There will be a lot of bumps in the road for a young QB. People are definitely overreacting at this stage of the process. Drake Maye simply needs more development. Not everyone gets it all at once. Especially for a QB this can be a long hard road.

People compare Maye to Josh Allen and promptly forget Allen didn't have a breakout season until year 3. He only had 2000 passing yards year 1, and 3000 in year 2. Let's pump the brakes a bit on the panic train. Let the young man develop instead of piling on.

 

[Patjew]

Too funny. If Bill was this awesome QB guru then why couldn’t he develop any other QB?
#IKnowWhy

One of the worst takes I’ve ever seen on this board.

 

[sb1]

I've gotta agree. We need some perspective here. Sure Maye had a bad week1. He's a young QB learning a brand new system and playbook. He needs to work on all aspects of his game.

But I think key right now is for him to become comfortable with the system. Clearly he's not at that comfort level yet. I think once he fully absorbs the system and can start to play instinctively, he will show off his talent in a major way.

Give him time. There will be a lot of bumps in the road for a young QB. People are definitely overreacting at this stage of the process. Drake Maye simply needs more development. Not everyone gets it all at once. Especially for a QB this can a long hard road.

People comp Maye to Josh Allen and promptly forget Allen didn't have a breakout season until year 3. He only had 2000 passing yards year 1, and 3000 in year 2. Let's pump the brakes a bit on the panic train. Let the young man develop instead of piling on.

Yep. Josh Allen couldn’t even beat Nathan Peterman for the starter role out of camp in his rookie season. Nathan. Peterman. Nuff said.

And Allen had a good coach Sean McDermott as his coach his whole career not a guy who had no business being in that role. As far as I’m concerned he had a lost season in 2024 and that’s the very last thing a raw QB like him needs in his development.

 

[sb1]

One of the worst takes I’ve ever seen on this board.

Bill is - well was, an elite defensive mind in this game. He isn’t a QB guru. See Jones, Mac for evidence of that.


If he was a QB guru he would have done it over and over again with different guys and different types of QBs ala Andy Reid.

 

[mgteich]

Bill is - well was, an elite defensive mind in this game. He isn’t a QB guru. See Jones, Mac for evidence of that.

Bill didn't want Jones.

And, just BTW, Jones had as good season as the 4 QB's drafted before him. BB cratered the team after Jones had a good rookie season.

 

[sb1]

Bill didn't want Jones.

He drafted him. The next season was when he decided he didn’t want him anymore.

And, just BTW, Jones had as good season as the 4 QB's drafted before him.

And imo he should have. He wasn’t a raw QB like Maye. He was already expected to be the most pro ready high floor QB of the class coming from Bama. There was not a lot Bill needed to do with him in his first year. Bill wanted him because that’s the profile of QB he liked. Nothing wrong with that but it’s why I refuse to believe he would have drafted Maye. It would have been Nix or JJ

I also give Lawrence a pass for his rookie year. His rookie year coaching may have been worse than Maye’s.

 

[Toofy]

Great alternate view from Cassell

 

[sb1]

This is not to say our patience for Maye’s development should be unlimited.

He had a subpar preseason and game 1. Let’s see what he learned from that. I want to see steady improvement.

 

[Patjew]

Bill is - well was, an elite defensive mind in this game. He isn’t a QB guru. See Jones, Mac for evidence of that.


If he was a QB guru he would have done it over and over again with different guys and different types of QBs ala Andy Reid.

Absurd. You’re using “guru” as a straw man. Bill developed, meaning he improved got the best out of, several QBs, including Mac and Matt and even Jacoby for chrissake

Your hate is showing. I don’t know why I’m bothering with you or your fake alias.

 

[Huckleberry1]

It appears Bill was very hands on with the offense/QB when Brady came along. Even in 09, that documentary had Bill and Tom discussing Ed Reed.

Maybe Vrabel is going over different defenses and how Maye can exploit them. Of course, execution is everything.

Belichick played a major role in Brady’s development as a Quarterback, and Brady knew he could take Bledsoe’s job because he realized that Belichick wanted a quarterback who would make every read the way Belichick did, and put the ball where Belichick wanted it to go, as opposed to Bledsoe, who always wanted to go downfield and make the big play. And Brady met with Belichick every week throughout his career to go over the upcoming game and how Belichick wanted it to go. It’s ironic that “ game manager” was the derogatory term his critics put on Brady, because that ended up being his greatest strength. Brady could pair his play with the defensive game plan each week, whether it was to go out and out as many points up as possible as fast as possible, or to take the air out of the ball against guys like Manning so as to help the defense limit Manning to under 10 drive opportunities. He could also alter his approach to slow down or speed up the offense depending on the game situations. His record at home when leading at the half was absurd.


My apology signbabybill for trashing Belichick so hard in this post.

 

[Grogan14]

Bill didn't want Jones.

And, just BTW, Jones had as good season as the 4 QB's drafted before him. BB cratered the team after Jones had a good rookie season.

What proof (not speculation) do you have that BB did not want Mac Jones?????

 

[TomPatriot]

And you somehow know that he isn’t doing that?

I know no such thing. Nor did I say he did or didn’t ask for help.

So what do you know about it? Has he asked for help? Do tell.

 

[sb1]

What proof (not speculation) do you have that BB did not want Mac Jones?????

He only didn’t want Mac Jones anymore after Jones was on this team for more than a season. Sure wanted him enough to draft him though. No take backs!

 

[TomPatriot]

Word is he's the first guy there and tge last to leave, I think working on getting better is a given.

Good. That wasn’t my point.

The coaches should be more than good enough if he’s putting in the work.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I know no such thing. Nor did I say he did or didn’t ask for help.

So what do you know about it?

What you said is “ if he needs help he needs to ask for it.” Which certainly suggests that he is isn’t doing that. If that’s not what you meant then by all means go ahead and clarify that.

What i have heard is that he’s working hard every day and is very coachable and a fast learner. Unfortunately for many here, and I’m not including you in this, that apparently isn’t good enough. And they are saying that if he doesn’t improve dramatically and fast then they should move on from him. However that comes with the caveat that those saying things like that are morons.

 

[TomPatriot]

What you said is “ if he needs help he needs to ask for it.” Which certainly suggests that he is isn’t doing that. If that’s not what you meant then by all means go ahead and clarify that.

No, what I meant is exactly what I said. It’s not about hard work, but more about trusting the coaches and not being too proud to ask for help. Not so easy for a young guy.