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The average shelf life of a NFL player is 3.3 years...
Misleading.
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This. We just wiff on skill guys. I like Sony but he seems pretty shot. No burst, no elusiveness. There is a reason we were trying to sign Fournette who was beastly on Sunday vs Carolina.Because NE cant draft a RB or WR.
This season is so far so good on Harry, but Im going to take a wait and see approach.
This kinda sounds like a "I'm upset by his fantasy numbers" post because as you suggest Michel has already contributed more to his team by being a core player in a Super Bowl run than have Barkley or Chubb.I don't think anyone's going to make the argument that Sony is a great back. We appreciate what he contributed to the Super Bowl run, but he hasn't shown a lot since then (though the second half of last year was much better than the first). I suppose my question is -- does it matter? He won't be Barkley or Chubb, but he's a solid contributor who at times looks like he's on the verge of becoming more. Is he disappointing for a first rounder? Yeah, I think we can all admit that if we're honest. But is it enough to win? I think the answer is also yes. Perhaps that's all that really matters in the end, given our stable of backs.
Thing with Sony, I like him and his attitude, and he's not a bad player. He was just pretty bad value as a first round draft pick. They must have thought he'd be so much more than he's been.
Ok, he was drafted 32nd. If he was drafted 33rd would you have a better take on him?I don't mind - even with the knowledge now - taking Sony ahead of Nick Chubb. But I personally think that you should never draft a RB in the 1st unless you are talking about a potential transcendent talent. I was pretty stunned they took Michel in the 1st back during the 2018 draft.
Meanwhile, our team still has a large percentage of its roster comprised of people drafted by our team. It shows a lot of the talent does end up staying.No Nick Chubb comparisons or comments?? How I miss those never ending arguments... or how BB does not know how to build teams.
The fact that people still defend this guy is mind boggling. The notion that he "won us a super bowl" is asinine. Did he play well? Yes. Could a multitude of other average running backs play well behind that offensive line and TE group? Yes. He isn't any better than guys we have found on the scrap heap, the Lagarrette Blount's and BenJarvus Green-Elllis's of the world. He has gotten worse each year now at this point and any hopes of him becoming a receiving threat are out the window as far as I am concerned. If he was a 4th round pick I would say yeah he isn't great but we didn't spend much to acquire him but he is a first round pick. He isn't special in anyway and he is a bust. No way around it.
its not his fault he was drafted in the first round. He is what he is and don't think he was even the best RB on his college team. 1st rd seemed like a reach but what do i knowDoes anyone else think that the Patriot way is not working for Sony Michel?
I remember reading that the Patriots wanted Michel to run north and south, opposed to his lateral movements during runs in college.
This reminded me of Bill Parcels talking about Curtis Martin during camp. his rookie year.
I remember Parcels saying that Martin was struggling in camp with the directions he was given, and one day Parcels asked Martin if coaching was part of the problem.
Parcels then allowed Martin to run instinctive, apposed to north and south and it made a huge difference in Curtis Martin's on field performance. I can still picture
Martin's 75 yard run against the Steelers in the fog during the playoffs.
Maybe we should have just let Sony play like Sony at Georgia because the Sony who is currently playing for the Patriots is not worth executing his 5th year option next year.
The way I look at it is a first rounder in theory should be at least a borderline pro bowler within their first few years. Second and third rounder you're hoping for an eventual starter. Fourth through seventh rounders are role players, special teamers, and fliers. Maybe my standards for draft picks are higher than others but I consider him even worse than Malcolm Brown. I considered Brown a bust but he was at least a serviceable starter while I feel like Sony really isn't even serviceable anymore.I don't know if "bust" is an appropriate word for a player who's been serviceable for contending teams, but he falls somewhere between Maroney and Blount in terms of effectiveness and that's not what you want to say about a 1st round RB.
Ok, he was drafted 32nd. If he was drafted 33rd would you have a better take on him?
The fact that people still defend this guy is mind boggling. The notion that he "won us a super bowl" is asinine. Did he play well? Yes. Could a multitude of other average running backs play well behind that offensive line and TE group? Yes. He isn't any better than guys we have found on the scrap heap, the Lagarrette Blount's and BenJarvus Green-Elllis's of the world. He has gotten worse each year now at this point and any hopes of him becoming a receiving threat are out the window as far as I am concerned. If he was a 4th round pick I would say yeah he isn't great but we didn't spend much to acquire him but he is a first round pick. He isn't special in anyway and he is a bust. No way around it.
No, still too early for an RB. He was drafted 31 by the way. Lamar Jackson went 32.Ok, he was drafted 32nd. If he was drafted 33rd would you have a better take on him?
I also don't think he's 100% healthy yet either, which might explain his limited workload so far.
Wtf is the Patriot Way? Is it the name of the road next to Patriot Place?
As far as the player, likely headed the way of Malcolm Mitchell.
The first thing Caesario said in his post draft comments as to why the Pats decided to use the first pick on Sony was his knowledge of complex pass blocking schemes. This doesn't move the needle on your fantasy team, but in the real world it has actual consequences... sometimes ugly ones.
Nick Chubb was a poor pass protector in college, when your QB is 40+ years old and you need a starting RB to play right away, you take the guy that's pro ready... that's ready to contribute to a contender immediately.
This isn't Madden Football, this isn't fantasy football, it's real life football.
RB's do more than run, in fact that's probably the last thing you judge them on, they can all run assuming good blocking or else they wouldn't be in the NFL.
The average shelf life of a NFL player is 3.3 years...
See, this is where you lose me Triumph
WR, yeah, i can give it to you, I even agree to a certain point
But we NEVER had RB problems. And much of it goes in hand with excellent drafting... Ridley, Vareen, White and many other who composed our stable overt the years were guys that were at least decent and Drafted.
I know that our main backs are usually pieces that we scout from outside, but we never have been a 1-RB kind of team and never will... Plus, Overall, Michel did give us one decent season and one bad season as the main RB (regular season only)
Even during Brady's final years (including SB runs), havent we always got one of the best Rushing offenses in at least most of those? (top 10 or something)?.
Sorry for the long text, i know you werent being specific at any player either
I can answer in more depth later but the gist of the matter is that White only has slightly more than 1100 total rushing yards in his 7th season.
Ridley had 1 season where he blew up with over 1100 rushing yards and 7 TDs. From that point it was basically down hill until he was let go. Vereen replaced Kevin Faulk. Both were nice 3rd down options and change of pace RBS, but I would not classify them as a primary RB.
NE can absolutely find role players at RB, but not featured RBs. Dillion remains the best RB that I have seen in the BB era.
The first thing Caesario said in his post draft comments as to why the Pats decided to use the first pick on Sony was his knowledge of complex pass blocking schemes. This doesn't move the needle on your fantasy team, but in the real world it has actual consequences... sometimes ugly ones.
Nick Chubb was a poor pass protector in college, when your QB is 40+ years old and you need a starting RB to play right away, you take the guy that's pro ready... that's ready to contribute to a contender immediately.
This isn't Madden Football, this isn't fantasy football, it's real life football.
RB's do more than run, in fact that's probably the last thing you judge them on, they can all run assuming good blocking or else they wouldn't be in the NFL.