Why Did We Expect Better Than 50% In The 3 years After Brady?

[sb1]

A gem from that Trade Brady thread:


lolwut

 

[Patriot Missile]

You can't be serious! There were plenty of people. Since you have been here since 2005, I assume you rememebr there was a massive thread in 2008 about potentially trading Brady for a lot of assets and keeping Cassel?

Good times. Shows the delusion of some fans.

Been here longer actually under a different name. Ians old cascading site. Very hard flow to the conversations. Came back from a hiatus when I saw they replaced it with this format. Very user friendly.

I doubt there were as many either when it came to cassel over Brady. But I do remember everyone thinking we were getting two firsts for Cassel. Also Ryan Mallett first was funny as well.

I know I said 4 or 5 sarcastically but it was more like 15% in my mind, and like others just entertaining the idea of how much Brady was worth on the open market.

 

[203Pat]

A gem from that Trade Brady thread:


Wut

Lol "almost looking like Brady" 29 less TD's, 1,100 less yards, 3 more interceptions on over 60 less attempts, about 28 points lower in QB rating, and 5.5 less completion percentage. Just amazing.

 

[sb1]

No way Brady is gonna drag his career into his late 30's. O'Connell is the future!

 

[mgteich]

Missed the part where I said terrible. Not getting it done was more like it. The whole line basically falling off a cliff in just 2 short years. The talent downgrade at Lg and Rg is pretty obvious from the two former players mentioned. The oline coach and Brady are gone. Was it those two facts? Is it the coaching, the talent? I’m not entirely sure. All i know is watching it live isn’t fun.

fair enough

 

[203Pat]

No way Brady is gonna drag his career into his late 30's. O'Connell is the future!

Really was wild that he was playing against former teammates and opponents kids. Being coached by and playing against coaches who were drafted years after him and still playing at an MVP level.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Really was wild that he was playing against former teammates and opponents kids. Being coached by and playing against coaches who were drafted years after him and still playing at an MVP level.

I really thought he was full of **** when he said he was gonna play to 45. Now I think he could of played to 50 with a decent oline.

 

[Boomer B]

Odd, because many of us have said for years the drafts have been weak and were told by a lot of posters we didn’t know what we are talking about. Those who drank the Belichick kool-aid were pretty blind to how bad our drafting and FA pick ups have been.

On top of the roster being bare of top end talent we had the mind boggling decision to have Patricia and Judge develop our 2nd year QB last season.

This roster has been in the making for close to a decade of ineffective drafting and roster building. We let good players leave without adequate replacements, we chase in FA because of misses in the draft, we haven’t drafted a top end talent at the skill positions in over a decade. And we wonder why we are where we are. A lot of us without blinders on could see this coming a long, long time ago. No quick fix, we need new blood to rebuild this team.

 

[Real fan 02]

I didn't expect Bill to give two failed coaches completely out of their element on offense the keys to helping send our young first round QB's career sideways but here we are.

You sir, are correct that's where it all went wrong.. the 2022 off season.. much was made about Mac reaching out to Alabama coaches, I never saw the big deal.. as reported BB can text Jimmy G before,and after each game but Mac couldn't reach out to his Alma mata.. I'm just strictly talking about the decisions made not the play on the field in this post. BB on WEEI even admitted late last season it was too late to make any changes mid season. Mac and others never bought in. Nick Caley didn't Take the OC position as he wouldn't be named OC things like that and more.. was the undoing. And then the herald report.. everyone can't be wrong.

 

[Ring 6]

Pete Carrol's teams got worse in 3 consecutive years and he was canned. Even if you give Bill a pass on 2020 in all likelihood we will finish with a worse record than last year.

They are 2 entirely different situations.
Carroll took over a team supposedly on the rise.
Belichick build a dynasty and then at the starting point you want to judge him from was picking up the pieces of the end of the longest dynasty ever.

Serious question. If you look at the team today, who would be a better choice to build it into a winner than the guy who arrived here in 2000 and built the greatest dynasty ever?

The idea that failing at the first rebuild turns the greatest ever into an incompetent is simply ignoring the reality that rebuilding almost never succeeds in the first iteration.

 

[Real fan 02]

I expected better than this. I expected it would take a few years to get back to respectability, but what is going on, and what has gone on is rediculous. The team is regressing not progressing.

We've worsened in each of the last 3 seasons..

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

If Mac was ruined by ****ty coaching then he never had the mentality and tools to succeed. I think it’s time to scrap this narrative. Yes, I agree that the coaching was ****ty with Judge and Patricia. That said, Mac (and the modern QBs) have played this position their whole lives. There are ups and downs. Good seasons and bad seasons. It isn’t 4D chess to play the position…a season of having a couple of bozos is what it is, and notably Mac has been much worse even after the team got his special OC just for him.

Go read about Johnny Unitas and how he came up from the swamp, got released numerous times, and became great.

Our own TB12 played a ridiculous platoon role with Drew Henson, being removed from games after tearing it up, then went to a 5-11 team with no playmakers.

Kurt Warner bagged groceries, played in CFL, and is in HoF.

I’m going to bet quite a few QBs have had some not so great OCs they didn’t like/ didn’t do a good job etc and recovered.

The team deserves some blame because they were indeed stupid, but that’s where it ends. Mac has control over his own play. He isn’t the guy. Bringing in a new OC / changing this or that / getting him “confidence” isn’t going to make a difference.

 

[Brotherblues]

If they had kept Thuney and Mason might it had made a difference?

Thuney was definitely worth a contract, especially over the guys they wound up paying instead. Giving Mason away for a 5th was baffling. And the domino effect being they don't draft a first round guard in '22 and instead take McDuffie when he falls on their laps.

 

[50-yard-line]

We should have been a good team in year 4. Anyone who says they expected differently is flat out lying. I have seen many coaches turn teams around in much shorter time frames. Is Bill not the greatest thing since sliced bread? How can he not do what Carrol has done from basically year 1?

Injuries have played a devastating role this year - OL has barely been together, the DBs have been gutted. That matters.
And no matter who you have, you need the QB, period. Mac ain't the guy - or if he is, he's doing a good job hiding it. Both games against the Dolpins were winnable - the last one was thrown away at the end of the half on just a terrible decision.

The Pats this year have played Philly, Miami, Miami, Buffalo, and Dallas already
WHO you play is as big a factor as anything. Five of their eight games have been against teams that could very likely be in the SB this year - and the only one that was a blowout was Dallas.


The Seahawks have been a .500'ish team the last three years and they still had their franchise QB for the first of those. They're 5-2 this year, sure, but they beat the Cardinals (1st pick?), the Giants (top 3 pick?), the Panthers (top 2 pick?), the Browns (meh, at best), and the Lions (over-hyped and sinking fast). Think they'd win any of the five games I listed above?

 

[Patriot Missile]

Thuney was definitely worth a contract, especially over the guys they wound up paying instead. Giving Mason away for a 5th was baffling. And the domino effect being they don't draft a first round guard in '22 and instead take McDuffie when he falls on their laps.

And it seemed that Mason was on a team friendly deal as well which made it more baffling.

 

[Brotherblues]

16-0 to 11-5 is also a 5 game drop so losing Brady was a major impact.

They won 11 with Cassel in '08 and then they won 10 with Brady in '09, yet nobody is insane enough to call that proof that Cassel is one game better than Brady.

Not arguing that losing Brady wasn't HUGE, just providing a different perspective to the argument that uses '07 and '08 as "proof" that Brady made a 5 game difference.

 

[Boomer B]

They are 2 entirely different situations.
Carroll took over a team supposedly on the rise.
Belichick build a dynasty and then at the starting point you want to judge him from was picking up the pieces of the end of the longest dynasty ever.

Serious question. If you look at the team today, who would be a better choice to build it into a winner than the guy who arrived here in 2000 and built the greatest dynasty ever?

The idea that failing at the first rebuild turns the greatest ever into an incompetent is simply ignoring the reality that rebuilding almost never succeeds in the first iteration.

He’s gonna be 72 next year and hasn’t had a great draft in about a decade. He can’t pick offensive skill positions either.

Sorry, we need new blood.

 

[NormZauchin]

Missed the part where I said terrible. Not getting it done was more like it. The whole line basically falling off a cliff in just 2 short years. The talent downgrade at Lg and Rg is pretty obvious from the two former players mentioned. The oline coach and Brady are gone. Was it those two facts? Is it the coaching, the talent? I’m not entirely sure. All i know is watching it live isn’t fun.

I also wonder about the retirement of Ernie Adams. But since nobody was sure what he was doing, his departure is hard to evaluate.

 

[Biffins]

Because Belichick drove Brady out because he believed his bulls.hit system was responsible for 90% of the success and Kraft was stupid enough to believe it.

This man speaks the truth

 

[Biffins]

I expected better than this. I expected it would take a few years to get back to respectability, but what is going on, and what has gone on is rediculous. The team is regressing not progressing.

This was entirely predictable. And it's come to pass as predicted by many.