Player Signing Why did this team sign Tebow?

[sb1]

So what if Tebow is a journeyman? So were players like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson and they won Super Bowls

Are Dilfer and Johnson good QB's?

And they didn't "win" jack squat. Their team did. WIns are not a QB stat, they are a team stat. Always were and always wil be. It's amazing that some fans would want to admit their ignorance and talk about "QB's winning" games.

Tebow was betrayed by Elway and the organization in Denver after rescuing their season and winning a playoff game against the Steelers with his passing in OT btw.

Stop crying. Elway didn't owe Tebow squat. Neither did the Jets. And neither does this team.

The Jets never gave Tebow a fair shot because Rex Ryan is the worst coach in football. Belichick gave Tebow a chance because he obviously sees something in him you don't and I trust his opinion over amateur scouts on the internet who have an anti-Tebow vendetta.

I have no anti-Tebow vendetta. In fact I LIKE the kid.

Anyone who doesn't think he's a good passing QB - which he is not, that is a fact and you cannot dispute what is fact, does not mean they hate the guy.

Irrelevant how many teams Young played for prior to going to the 49ers.

Only because you are jumping into the middle of a conversation that didn't involve you.

- Young as a Buc showed more promise at the time than Tebow despite playing for a rotten football team, far worse than any team Tim has played for .

False

Your opinion, even if it's wrong.

Tim Tebow challenges the conventional thinking of what style of play a qb has to have in the NFL just like Steve Young and Randall Cunningham did in the early 90's. Running QBs did not exist prior to then and people thought they could never succeed in the NFL and only drop back qbs could win.

Except good QB's known for their running can also pass and they do it well.

Kaep > Tebow. Wilson > Tebow. RG3 > Tebow. Newton > Tebow.

I see a pattern.

- Young developed in an era of the NFL that didnt have rules designed to let QBs like Matthew Stafford throw for 5000+ yards. All the more reason why Tebow's throwing issues are more egregious than Young's were, that is, if Tim is going to start someday.

Your argument contradicts yourself. Shouldn't the lax passing rules then also help Tebow?

Yes! So why does he still suck at it?

No one is saying Tim Tebow will be a HOF QB or MVP.

When the name Steve Young is mentioned, like we're supposed to think that Tebow will become him one day...it certainly looks like that is exactly what is being said. I disagree.

He may not ever win a Super Bowl though I think in the right situation that may eventually end up happening. Tim Tebow has already proved he can be a succesful quarterback in the NFL.

Nope.

He was in a horrible situation in New York where he never got a fair shot.

Your opinion.

He deserves a fair shot here

And he is getting one.

and would only be taking up a 3rd string qb spot on the depth chart and in the meantime he can help as a wildct qb/tight end/full back and special teams player.

The Pats don't owe him a damn thing. And they're not putting him on the roster because his name is Tim Tebow. If he makes the team it's because he earned it. As it should be.

The positives outweigh the negatives with Tebow by far.

Not as a QB I'm afraid.

 

[TruthSeeker]

And if BB keeps Tebow into sept this year does that mean Tim is a viable qb prospect?

It is a big if at this point, but that is the logic you're putting forth. And I'm not sure he does stick..

Personally, I think there's a huge difference between keeping 3 QBs on your roster and keep 4 QBs on your roster. Perhaps you see it differently.

TB was kept on the roster in 2000 solely for his potential as a QB; it was recognized by everyone at the time the decision was made that he should not expect to see the field that year (as BB specifically said in a show I saw; it was probably the Brady 6 show).

I would be very surprised if Tebow made the 53 this year. But what do I know?

 

[FirstAndGoal]

I'm going to format my post like a Tebowite would now.


Tim Tebow is elitely bad and challenges the conventional notion of how much credit someone playing badly can get. He's a once in a lifetime qb who failed to get a fair shot with the Jets but because he wasn't cut on the first day, Josh Daniels and BB believe that before they die, they can get Tebow to play at an unmatched level. No one is saying he's terrible. They're just saying that given the right situation, he has the ability to play worse than anyone else ever has in the history of the NFL.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Longest thread ever for a 3rd string QB in the history of the NFL.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Look at his scouting report. And it was dead on accurate. Don't you think if Belichick used some good ol' "unconventional" wisdom to find this so called great QB prospect that he should have gone a lot higher in the draft than the 6th round?

On the Brady 6 (which I've watched around 5 times now), Mel Kiper reads TB's scouting report. To claim that it was "dead on accurate" is a joke which the show makes a point of by showing video clips of TB doing the opposite of what the scouting report claims. Years later, (most) everyone knows had wrong the scouting report was.

I acknowledge that your mind is made up. If it's not clear to you that BB thought TB was a viable prospect in 2000 after BB kept him as a 4th QB, I expect nothing much will convince you. The meaning behind that action is so obvious to me that we're clearly worlds apart in our thinking.

 

[reflexblue]

Longest thread ever for a 3rd string QB in the history of the NFL.

You know this guy had a Couple of good months in the NFL back in '11? some of his followers cling to that and think that that is his norm, its not. If he can't look better than he has under BB than he needs to play a different position or retire. NO other team would take a flyer on him in all the months that he was out there. I think BB took him in as a charity or sympathy case, but needs to cut him if it means cutting a player that could really contribute. Maybe TT could be on the shadow roster. If he could only rush the passer.

 

[sb1]

On the Brady 6 (which I've watched around 5 times now), Mel Kiper reads TB's scouting report. To claim that it was "dead on accurate" is a joke which the show makes a point of by showing video clips of TB doing the opposite of what the scouting report claims. Years later, (most) everyone knows had wrong the scouting report was.

I acknowledge that your mind is made up. If it's not clear to you that BB thought TB was a viable prospect in 2000 after BB kept him as a 4th QB, I expect nothing much will convince you. The meaning behind that action is so obvious to me that we're clearly worlds apart in our thinking.

I'm not disagreeing that BB liked him. I think BB had soured on Bledsoe and was ready to make a move should the opportunity come (and we know it did).

But then again... why didn't Brady back up Bledsoe in 2000? Because to be a viable prospect he obviously needed work and he needed time and BB knew it. And if the Pats cut Brady in 2000, would anyone else pick him up? I'm not convinced anyone would, not with a scouting report that questions his arm strength and his build among other things. And from what I could see he certainly didn't have the arm strength back then and didn't throw the best ball. I watched Brady early in his career and the difference between then and now is like night and day.

Steve Mariucci in the Brady 6:

We had a local combine with the 49ers, where we would invite all the kids who went to high school around there, and he went to Serra High School, just up the street. He was there with us, just throwing the ball, and he didn't do anything any better than anybody else. He didn't stick out. You wouldn't look at him and go, 'There's a Hall of Famer.' That just didn't happen.

"So then, you watch the [college tape, and he was competing for a starting job [at Michigan]. So, what I remember most about [Brady from that time] is that our scouts came back — and he was a local kid — and we asked: Are his coaches standing on the table saying, 'You have to draft this guy … If you don't, you'll all be idiots'? That didn't happen. Do we need an endorsement from the coach? I guess; you don't want a coach to over-exaggerate a player's talent and sell everyone in the program, but you want someone to say, 'Hey — this guy can play in the National Football League.' The reports we got? I don't remember that taking place.

That does not sound like a viable QB prospect to me.


So yes I believe that report was accurate, at least at the time Brady was drafted and in his rookie year in 2000. And it was also dead on accurate about his leadership skills and intangibles in a positive way.

 

[jmt57]

We had a local combine with the 49ers, where we would invite all the kids who went to high school around there, and he went to Serra High School, just up the street. He was there with us, just throwing the ball, and he didn't do anything any better than anybody else. He didn't stick out. You wouldn't look at him and go, 'There's a Hall of Famer.' That just didn't happen.

A high school kid doesn't stand out to an NFL coach as a future hall of famer. Wow, shocking.

"So then, you watch the [college tape, and he was competing for a starting job [at Michigan]. So, what I remember most about [Brady from that time] is that our scouts came back — and he was a local kid — and we asked: Are his coaches standing on the table saying, 'You have to draft this guy … If you don't, you'll all be idiots'? That didn't happen. Do we need an endorsement from the coach? I guess; you don't want a coach to over-exaggerate a player's talent and sell everyone in the program, but you want someone to say, 'Hey — this guy can play in the National Football League.' The reports we got? I don't remember that taking place.

Google 'Drew Henson Tom Brady' and you'll find plenty of articles to research on the politics of Lloyd Carr's decision making regarding the two quarterbacks, which would properly explain that. Shame on Mariucci and his staff for not figuring that out; it wasn't a hidden secret at the time considering how Brady constantly outperformed Henson.

 

[mgteich]

When it was Bishop, there were many, many threads.

Longest thread ever for a 3rd string QB in the history of the NFL.

 

[Demosthenes]

I'm not disagreeing that BB liked him. I think BB had soured on Bledsoe and was ready to make a move should the opportunity come (and we know it did).

But then again... why didn't Brady back up Bledsoe in 2000? Because to be a viable prospect he obviously needed work and he needed time and BB knew it. And if the Pats cut Brady in 2000, would anyone else pick him up? I'm not convinced anyone would, not with a scouting report that questions his arm strength and his build among other things. And from what I could see he certainly didn't have the arm strength back then and didn't throw the best ball. I watched Brady early in his career and the difference between then and now is like night and day.

You are being stubborn and hard headed right now my friend, and that's me trying to be "nice" about it.

You aren't convinced that anyone would have picked him up ? Great. Then if Bill didn't see Brady as a viable prospect in 2000, he would have cut him or put him on the practice squad.

But what did he do ? He carried a FOURTH FREAKING QB for the season. You don't do that with a guy if he isn't a viable QB prospect.

 

[IcyPatriot]

You know this guy had a Couple of good months in the NFL back in '11? some of his followers cling to that and think that that is his norm, its not. If he can't look better than he has under BB than he needs to play a different position or retire. NO other team would take a flyer on him in all the months that he was out there. I think BB took him in as a charity or sympathy case, but needs to cut him if it means cutting a player that could really contribute. Maybe TT could be on the shadow roster. If he could only rush the passer.

I have no problem with him being on the Patriots roster for the year and training him. I don't think anyone has ever taken the time to properly train him due to his being an athletic freak for so many years. Certainly he's not the first nor the last who got through college based on tremendous physical ability that did not translate to the pro's. My only thing would be either he's inactive most of the time or he at least can partake in special teams or being a holder ... something ... anything to help the team outside of being the other teams QB all week.

 

[IcyPatriot]

When it was Bishop, there were many, many threads.

Yes ... ... it was annoying.

But we had a different board then . I think we had the thread within a thread format then ... I'm going to check.

I checked ... the last good one was when Ian's server had a nuclear meltdown ...

I don't want to remind Ian of that time LOL.

 

[BradyFTW!]

On the Brady 6 (which I've watched around 5 times now), Mel Kiper reads TB's scouting report. To claim that it was "dead on accurate" is a joke which the show makes a point of by showing video clips of TB doing the opposite of what the scouting report claims. Years later, (most) everyone knows had wrong the scouting report was.

I acknowledge that your mind is made up. If it's not clear to you that BB thought TB was a viable prospect in 2000 after BB kept him as a 4th QB, I expect nothing much will convince you. The meaning behind that action is so obvious to me that we're clearly worlds apart in our thinking.

The bolded portion covers your argument entirely; you can just end it there. Belichick kept 4 QBs in 2000 just to make sure that he didn't lose Brady. That tells you everything that you could ever possibly need to know about whether BB thought Brady was a good prospect.

 

[sb1]

You are being stubborn and hard headed right now my friend, and that's me trying to be "nice" about it.

You aren't convinced that anyone would have picked him up ? Great. Then if Bill didn't see Brady as a viable prospect in 2000, he would have cut him or put him on the practice squad.

But what did he do ? He carried a FOURTH FREAKING QB for the season. You don't do that with a guy if he isn't a viable QB prospect.

I'm not being stubborn, I'm being right.

Anyway my original point made a few dozen pages back was... brady in 2000 didn't "sit and learn" from anybody any more than say Curtis Painter "sitting and learning" from Manning. Which is also the right way to look at it.

 

[Demosthenes]

I'm not being stubborn, I'm being right.

Anyway my original point made a few dozen pages back was... brady in 2000 didn't "sit and learn" from anybody any more than say Curtis Painter "sitting and learning" from Manning. Which is also the right way to look at it.

Simple question. WHY did Belichick carry Brady as a 4th QB on the 2000 roster ?

 

[JackBauer]

Can we just cut him already?

 

[SDI_Gator]

Can we just cut him already?

Mercy is for the weak!

 

[sb1]

Simple question. WHY did Belichick carry Brady as a 4th QB on the 2000 roster ?

Let's stop meandering off topic and quit playing "gotcha" cause that's kinda annoying.

All you need to know is Brady didn't exactly "sit and learn" from anyone in 2000 as you tried to claim several pages back. Brady was not a viable QB prospect, a guy who had a real chance to take Bledsoe's job until his following camp in 01.

And neither will Tim.

Whether you choose to believe it or not, Tim is not here because the Pats want to develop him as a QB. That ship has sailed. He's here because Bill thinks he might help the team win today in one way or another.

That is all that matters. And that is all you need to know.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Eye On Football - CBSSports.com Tim Tebow plays zero plays in Patriots loss to Lions

Interesting tidbit from article:

"Belichick didn't make any friends in Detroit by not playing Tebow. The Lions crowd chanted for Tebow throughout the fourth quarter and booed the Patriots when Ryan Mallet came out for New England's final offensive drive of the game."

In all fairness opposing fans from any team are going to want Tebow at QB for the Patriots.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Simple question. WHY did Belichick carry Brady as a 4th QB on the 2000 roster ?

Because he inherited a sucky team, had room to play with roster spots, and Brady demonstrated that he could learn the offense and be a productive player for them in the future. Basically the exact opposite of the Tebow situation.