Player Signing Why did this team sign Tebow?

[sb1]

Perhaps so, but if you bothered to follow the discussion instead of just jumping into the middle of it, you'd see that we were discussing whether or not Brady was a viable QB prospect in 2010. That's part of a larger discussion concerning "conventional wisdom" in the NFL.

Brady is a poor example of that, for reasons already stated.

Like I said Doug Flutie is a far superior example. Here's a guy with a NFL track record of success who still wasn't taken seriously in NE and Buffalo because "real" QB's just aren't short and they also throw the "right" way.

So I do agree with you on your general point. And if a coach wants to think out of the box and start Tim with a radically different offense around him than what is "acceptable", kind of like what the Broncos tried in 2010... then good luck to him.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Perhaps so, but if you bothered to follow the discussion instead of just jumping into the middle of it, you'd see that we were discussing whether or not Brady was a viable QB prospect in 2010. That's part of a larger discussion concerning "conventional wisdom" in the NFL.

I honestly believe that given a couple more years of seasoning Tebow could blossom into a 48% passer who only fumbles once every 5 times he carries the ball.

 

[Demosthenes]

Not incorrect at all and I don't need to sell what is fact. Facts are facts.

Just like the fact that it's disingenuous to claim that you know for sure Belichick used some (non-existent) benchmark to somehow know that a QB was going to be a good one despite a less than favorable scouting report and physical talent that just didn't exist at the time.... hindsight really is 20/20 and that is certainly true here.

Here are the facts.

Tom Brady is one of the GOAT NFL Qbs
Tom Brady got passed over many times before being taken in the 6th round by the Pats in 2000.
In 2000, Belichick saw enough of something in Brady to carry him as the FOURTH QB on the roster. In the 13 seasons that BB has been here, he's carried 4QBs exactly ONE TIME.

Yet here you are trying to claim that Brady wasn't a "viable QB prospect" until 2001.


Incredible.


Hindsight is an absolutely remarkable and invaluable tool if you use it correctly. You use it to look back to try and figure out what you did wrong or what you did right.

There are GMs and experts who have repeatedly gone back and looked at the 2000 draft to try and figure out what they missed seeing in Brady. What did he have that they should have been looking at, but weren't.

Here's another scenario for hindsight. You meet some girl and you date for a while. Turns out, she's a complete and total nutcase. I'm talking "Fatal Attraction" level here. You break it off and get out of the situation as quickly as you can.

What do you do afterwards ? You try to look back and determine if there were signs or clues that you missed. Something that could/should have told you earlier that she was a freaking nut.

 

[Demosthenes]

I honestly believe that given a couple more years of seasoning Tebow could blossom into a 48% passer who only fumbles once every 5 times he carries the ball.

Now that was funny. Absolute BS to be sure, but humorous none the less

 

[sb1]

Tebow is not a good QB, he is not a developmental QB
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The other problem with the whole "Tebow should sit and learn to be a QB" thing is that you are talking about a 26 year old NFL vet on his 3rd team, not a 22 year old raw rookie that can be "taught". For point of reference, Tom Brady won his third Super Bowl ring when he was 26.

By the time Tebow is done "learning" he will be getting closer and closer to 30 and perhaps with his 4th team. Now there are definitely late bloomers (like Rich Gannon) but none of them had the fundamental issues with their game that Tim has.

Even the whole "development" thing has a best before date.

 

[Demosthenes]

Tebow is not a good QB, he is not a developmental QB
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The other problem with the whole "Tebow should sit and learn to be a QB" thing is that you are talking about a 26 year old NFL vet on his 3rd team, not a 22 year old raw rookie that can be "taught". For point of reference, Tom Brady won his third Super Bowl ring when he was 26.

By the time Tebow is done "learning" he will be getting closer and closer to 30 and perhaps with his 4th team. Now there are definitely late bloomers (like Rich Gannon) but none of them had the fundamental issues with their game that Tim has.

Even the whole "development" thing has a best before date.

Steve Young says hello

 

[sb1]

Here are the facts.

Tom Brady is one of the GOAT NFL Qbs

Yup, but nobody on this planet in April of 2000 except maybe Brady himself or his family knew that had an even remote possibility of coming to fruition. Fact.

Tom Brady got passed over many times before being taken in the 6th round by the Pats in 2000.

And for some very good reasons. Look at his scouting report. And it was dead on accurate. Don't you think if Belichick used some good ol' "unconventional" wisdom to find this so called great QB prospect that he should have gone a lot higher in the draft than the 6th round?

In 2000, Belichick saw enough of something in Brady to carry him as the FOURTH QB on the roster. In the 13 seasons that BB has been here, he's carried 4QBs exactly ONE TIME.

So what?

Yet here you are trying to claim that Brady wasn't a "viable QB prospect" until 2001.

Because he wasn't. Just because you disagree...most likely based on internet research and not from watching this team back then....doesn't make a fact less factual.

Hindsight is an absolutely remarkable and invaluable tool if you use it correctly. You use it to look back to try and figure out what you did wrong or what you did right.

There are GMs and experts who have repeatedly gone back and looked at the 2000 draft to try and figure out what they missed seeing in Brady. What did he have that they should have been looking at, but weren't.

Here's another scenario for hindsight. You meet some girl and you date for a while. Turns out, she's a complete and total nutcase. I'm talking "Fatal Attraction" level here. You break it off and get out of the situation as quickly as you can.

What do you do afterwards ? You try to look back and determine if there were signs or clues that you missed. Something that could/should have told you earlier that she was a freaking nut.

And have those GM's found that magic clue that told them what they missed? Nope. I wonder why.

If you can go back and honestly say at the time that you thought it was a good idea for Bill to pick Brady...that you couldn't believe he was still available in the 6th round, that he could be something special one day, and it was a good idea to carry him on the roster...then what you are saying now is not looking at it in hindsight.

Otherwise...it is. Sorry.

 

[sb1]

Steve Young says hello

You're not comparing Tebow to Steve Young are you? Did Young have Tim's throwing issues? Was Young playing in this era where the league is all about passing?

 

[DarrylS]

Steve Young says hello

Tim Tebow does not equal Steve Young....

If you were to pick a team and both were available which would you pick???

 

[PatsFan2]

Have a QB ever passed for negative yards in two consecutive Games? I guess we will see if Tebow can do it.

 

[sb1]

Have a QB ever passed for negative yards in two consecutive Games? I guess we will see if Tebow can do it.

Honestly speaking, I hope he plays well and more importantly gets through the game healthy.

Hopefully the likes of Suh can be kept away from him.

 

[Awesomo 3000]

Re: Hey Remarker!

Post by Remarker on Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:42 pm

Remarker wrote:You guys are having to much fun at Slime. Maybe I'll start posting with one of my other accounts. Twisted Evil Wink

There are several ways to ban someone from message boards. The one most frequently used is a user account ban. Another way to ban someone is to ban their IP address.

On a casual visit to Slime, I learned they recently have banned my most frequently used IP in addition to my user account. I had only a user account ban until I made the post I quote at the top of this comment. I have to use a proxy IP to view the drivel on the Slime board now. I may go to a internet cafe (random IPs) and register multiple times just so I can mess with them. Nah, I've got a life. I'll just register through a proxy IP if I decide I want to waste some time.

I want to take this opportunity to say Hi to our stalker from Slime's Admin/Mod bunch (probably LTJF). You know...one of the corrupt/stalker types.

Hiya big guy. What the hell are you spending time stalking us for? Don't have a love life or enough interesting things to do in your life but to stalk our board? Don't bother answering. Those are rhetorical questions. I know the answers. Twisted Evil

Edit:
Thank you Slime Admin/Mod stalker for unbanning my IP today. That saves me the time it take to make an extra click. Sarcasm

Remarker - Hey Remarker!

Not only are you a complete liar and a total fraud poster, you obviously have severe Alzheimer's, Granpa-rker.

Have a nice day, toothless....

Not bad. You took a very questionable post, and with your additions and repetitions, made it look pretty damning.

You can continue calling me "Remurker", if you'd like. You have no evidence to support that, but I can live with it.

If you keep calling me "Remurker", then I can refer to you as "crazy Jet fan", right? Seems like a fair deal to me.

heh heh...crazy Jet fan

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I'd take his (Remarker's) questionable posts over those of a squealing, stalking, certifiably insane psychopath any day. I don't think I've seen a "grown man" act quite that pathetic in a long time, if ever.

Oh yeah... Go Red Sox!

The HATRED comes from THEM. Plain as bright sunshine. I'm done with it. This stuff is cancerous and I want no part of this diseased Tebowism infecting the patriots 2013 season. Enough.

Followed shortly, by:

you'd love to wear Tebow's little pink hat wouldn't you, Remurker...but Space Mongo Brandi won't let you, just like she won't let you wear your nuts once a month like she promised...there they sit, right in front of you on top the ice chest, swimming in a mason jar of formaldehyde...your itty bitty ticksticles...so near and yet so far out of reach...don't worry, eventually you'll wither and die, like a piece of swamp cabbage and the world will never know nor care that you ever existed....:amen:

 

[kennyb]

Honestly speaking, I hope he plays well and more importantly gets through the game healthy.

Hopefully the likes of Suh can be kept away from him.

If brady wasn't a "viable" QB, then why'd BB keep him on the 53 as a 4th QB? Obviously he saw potential there. So he went from 'not viable' to very viable within a year?

And the very next year he started being a very ACCURATE, clutch QB...with a QUICK RELEASE and a GREAT ability to read defenses.

Tebow has been in the league 4 years now...he's not accurate, not quick and can't read a defense to save his life.

But he has great potential...because....er.....just needs some 'development'...yeah, that's the ticket. Did I mention he'd be an all pro TE? I know that because...er.....he's Tim Tebow and he's a real hard worker.

 

[Ian]

Steve Young says hello

I understand your need to provide us with that "did you know" fact - but you couldn't have picked a worse thread to mention that in

 

[sb1]

If brady wasn't a "viable" QB, then why'd BB keep him on the 53 as a 4th QB? Obviously he saw potential there.

BB liked Ocho and saw potential. Was he a good receiver with us?

"Lacking physical abilities, arm strength and mobility. Can get pushed down easily. System guy." And he was a 4th string QB.

Does that sound like a viable QB prospect? A guy that that teams would be falling over each other to sign if he was cut?

And the very next year he started being a very ACCURATE, clutch QB...with a QUICK RELEASE and a GREAT ability to read defenses.

Exactly. The important part is highlighted.

And because he worked very hard at it.

Tebow has been in the league 4 years now...he's not accurate, not quick and can't read a defense to save his life.

But he has great potential...because....er.....just needs some 'development'...yeah, that's the ticket. Did I mention he'd be an all pro TE? I know that because...er.....he's Tim Tebow and he's a real hard worker.

I just want to see the Patriots real plan for using Tim. I can't see it as QB. He will never start in this league, not with the fundamental throwing issues that he has and he certainly won't be showcased as a starter on a win now team unless something very bad happens.

 

[Brady6]

Yes and no with regards to first round picks. When a team deals around and ends up with 2 first round picks, they can take more of a risk with the 2nd as it's house money.

Not sure where you read that but it must have been in “NFL Draft for Dummies”. This doesn’t happen; first round picks hold the same significance no matter how many you have.

I forgot the exact position, but Denver had a top 15 pick iirc. They traded back once, swapping 1st round picks with other picks added. Then they traded back again swapping down to 23 and getting more picks. They then used their original 1st round pick to select Demaryius Thomas. They bundled up some of the picks they had acquired by dropping back and they traded them to go back up to the 1st round to take Tebow.

Three spots separated Thomas and Tebow; yet Thomas is a top 5 or 6 receiver in the NFL and Tebow is holding onto a third string quarterback position here praying to make it past the first round of roster cuts. Thomas also missed the combine and his pro day due to injury, along with him coming out of school a year early, so Thomas would appear to be the risker selection at the time.

As for not living up to his draft status, what other 1st round pick of Denver's took them to the playoffs and won a playoff game in the last 7 years ? I don't remember too many.

Von Miller
Demaryius Thomas
Ryan Clady

All three of them could be considered in the top five at their respective positions; yet you argue Tebow took them to the playoffs and won? Now I could be wrong but it appears Tebow threw the ball about 15 yards, Thomas caught it despite it being a bit high and behind him, and Thomas then broke 2 tackles with a straight arm and outran the defenders for 65 yards. Tebow ran down and prayed and said “God” thank you for giving me good the best receivers in college football and now in the NFL..

QB Tebow to WR Thomas, 80-yd, pass, TD - NFL Videos

 

[larryo]

Steve Young says hello

Now that's funny.

 

[Demosthenes]

You're not comparing Tebow to Steve Young are you? Did Young have Tim's throwing issues? Was Young playing in this era where the league is all about passing?

Actually, Young had quite a few issues when he came into the NFL from the USFL. That's one of the reasons why Tampa Bay wanted to get rid of him

He went to San Fran and there, he learned how to play QB in the NFL. And yes, San Fran was the team that STARTED that era. Ever hear of something called the West Coast Offense ?

 

[Ian]

Actually, Young had quite a few issues when he came into the NFL from the USFL. That's one of the reasons why Tampa Bay wanted to get rid of him

He went to San Fran and there, he learned how to play QB in the NFL. And yes, San Fran was the team that STARTED that era. Ever hear of something called the West Coast Offense ?

LOL, no one will tell you you're wrong about that. But unfortunately you'll forever lose this argument because you brought Young up in a comparison to Tebow's situation - these two are no where near eachother and I don't think - barring a miracle - that's going to change

 

[Awesomo 3000]

BB liked Ocho and saw potential. Was he a good receiver with us?

"Lacking physical abilities, arm strength and mobility. Can get pushed down easily. System guy." And he was a 4th string QB.

Does that sound like a viable QB prospect? A guy that that teams would be falling over each other to sign if he was cut?



Exactly. The important part is highlighted.

And because he worked very hard at it.



I just want to see the Patriots real plan for using Tim. I can't see it as QB. He will never start in this league, not with the fundamental throwing issues that he has and he certainly won't be showcased as a starter on a win now team unless something very bad happens.

It seems kinda hard to get around the claim of "32 teams missed out on HoF talent, because they evaluate qb's poorly." A similar effect was seen with Russell Wilson last year. He's short, so he won't be a good qb.

So what, if it was hard work that got him there? Bottom line, is that they didn't recognize a player with the talent and work ethic to be one of the best quarterbacks ever.

Tebow's had a rough start to his career. And he'll never be a Brady. But if he can get his head screwed on straight, he has the talent and work ethic to be a legit qb. It's very much a long shot, at this point, I know, but the coaches will decide soon if that's a gamble they want to make.