Which WR deserves the Pro Bowl?

[Deus Irae]

I think they all deserve it. They all try so hard, after all. And, really, it's not fair that some should be left out and made to feel belittled because others are exaulted.

 

[Lansdowne]

Can't have one without the other.

 

[ikeman20]

Of course everybody and their mama say welker. All i know is i saw moss play welker role the first few weeks of the season. Can welker even attempt to be moss in this offense? One of these days we soon find out what this offense will look like without good ol steady randy. Moss was a big boy before NE. This debate is really a non debate. I remember when the debate was who is the best MLB player. I used to say to my self ; Do these people even watch baseball. How can u watch the manager's approach when Bonds is up to bat vs every other player and still wonder who the best is. Every sunday, D C's tell u who they fear between moss and welker. Fear = respect. Till welker start getting the other teams best db, i believe my opinion to be correct. Anybody ever notice when welker goes crazy patriots win by 10. When moss goes crazy patriots win by 21. Coincidence i think not

 

[Synovia]

Re: Which WR deserves the Probowl?

Why cant they both play? If the question is who is having the better year maybe Welker

Welker is open all the time because teams sell out to stop Moss.

 

[TennesseePatriot]

I live in Fish territory, so I can confirm that it most certainly does. But being the considerate person that I am, I make sure to thank them for the trade each and every game...but for some reason they just don't appreciate it when I do. Go figure. :confused2:

I don't live in Miami territory. But I do the same thing.

 

[Rob0729]

Welker deserves it more, but I think Moss will get in and he won't. Welker is pegged as a slot or possession WR and those guys don't usually get Pro Bowl births. Last thing I read was that he was ridiculously low on the fan vote (like 8th). Players and coaches value him a lot more so he could be a guy who gets crap for the fan vote and gets in because the players and coaches each count as a third of the votes.

 

[Satchboogie3]

As much as I absolutely love Welker and hope he remains a Patriot for the rest of his career and the even with the ridiculous year he is having, I still think Moss deserves the Pro Bowl MORE. There is obviously no doubt that Welker deserves the Pro Bowl, he's having an incredible year... but Moss is having a great season as well. It might not be as good as '07, but that is a once in a lifetime occurrence.

Simply put, Welker doesn't have anywhere near the production without Moss and it really doesn't work both ways. Moss will kill teams no matter who else is lineup as WR. That's simply not the case for ANY slot receiver, let alone Welker. As for the challenge itself, Moss has the far more difficult assignment. He is always matched up against a teams #1 corner. He also almost always gets double covered by a safety and it's not uncommon he gets triple covered. He is the #1 priority of a defense. Welker, on the other hand, is matched up against a teams #2/#3 corners and even linebackers a fair amount of the time. He doesn't see much double coverage (a safety choosing between Moss deep and Welker underneath will choose Moss 99% of the time). As far as the routes and catches are concerned, Welker has it easier. He has bigger windows and easier catches. He runs lots of screens, slants, posts, outs, ins, etc. Moss has to flat out out run the #1 corners covering him. His windows are often so tight that he has to make a spectacular catch (which he does so incredibly often).

As for stats, he has them. 2nd in the league in yards (925) and 6th in receptions (63), he is averaging 92.5 yards a game and 14.7 Yards/Rec, and he has 8 TD. He is on pace for 1480 yards, 101 receptions, and 13 TD. That would be the 3rd most yards and receptions and 4th most TD he has had in a season.

Welker's stats are amazing too: 6th in the league in yards (854), 1st in Receptions (79), averaging 106.8 yards a game, but just 10.8 Yards/Rec and 4TD. I think the fact that Moss has a much much tougher assignment and has scored twice as often gives him the edge.

Again, I love Welker and think his season has been amazing, but he just happens to be playing with another receiver called "The Freak".

 

[vattha]

Like most everyone else, I would say both. But if you are telling me I could only pick one, then I would choose Welker. There's nobody else in the NFL close to Welker at the slot position. Though Moss is also having a pro bowl year, I don't know that he's the number one outside guy in the league this year - I might give Reggie Wayne a very slight edge over Moss there so far this season.

That's unfair to Moss considering Reggie Wayne has had a 100% Peyton Manning throughout the entire year, and Moss puts up numbers that are just as good.

And did anyone even see how Welker got that 60+ yard catch and run? Moss was running a route and he was TRIPLE covered as he was coming off the line.

 

[Synovia]

And did anyone even see how Welker got that 60+ yard catch and run? Moss was running a route and he was TRIPLE covered as he was coming off the line.

Exactly. When teams start doubling Welker, and leaving Moss in single coverage, or coverage by a LB, I'll believe Welker deserves it more than Moss.

 

[BradyFTW!]

They should both make it, but Welker is having a historic year, whereas Moss is actually doing a little less than I've come to expect from him (which is still very, very good). Gotta go w/ Welker.

 

[makoute]

They should both make it, but Welker is having a historic year, whereas Moss is actually doing a little less than I've come to expect from him (which is still very, very good). Gotta go w/ Welker.

Geez, what did you expect from the guy? He's leading the league in Receiving Yds, and he's probably top 3-5 in TD Reception.

 

[Kontradiction]

Geez, what did you expect from the guy? He's leading the league in Receiving Yds, and he's probably top 3-5 in TD Reception.

Wes Welker has a chance to make history in a major statistical catagory for a wide receiver. Argument over.

However, Moss is having a very good year. Though your argument here is faulty (he's third in the league in receiving yards, but fourth in TD receptions), there is reason for this discussion. However, like I said, Welker can make history in receptions in a season... even though missing multiple games.

 

[PYPER]

I won't vote. One may lead the NFL in receiving yards and the other in catches. If so, both deserve to go but since the Pro Bowl is being played at the SB site the week before the big game, I suspect that neither will be available to attend. );p

 

[Synovia]

Wes Welker has a chance to make history in a major statistical catagory for a wide receiver. Argument over.

Yeah, and only because hes matched up in single coverage against a team's worst cornerback, or a LB, on every play, because the Patriots other WR is better than him.

However, Moss is having a very good year. Though your argument here is faulty (he's third in the league in receiving yards, but fourth in TD receptions), there is reason for this discussion. However, like I said, Welker can make history in receptions in a season... even though missing multiple games.

Um, no, Randy Moss, going into this week, was first in receiving yards. Other guys have passed him this week because he hasn't played yet, and they have.

 

[vattha]

Wes Welker has a chance to make history in a major statistical catagory for a wide receiver. Argument over.

However, Moss is having a very good year. Though your argument here is faulty (he's third in the league in receiving yards, but fourth in TD receptions), there is reason for this discussion. However, like I said, Welker can make history in receptions in a season... even though missing multiple games.

I love Welker as much as the next guy, but receptions are the most overrated stat out of all the receiving statistics. The best receivers have to be able to line up at all the positions.

 

[Synovia]

I love Welker as much as the next guy, but receptions are the most overrated stat out of all the receiving statistics. The best receivers have to be able to line up at all the positions.

While I think Moss is the player, I question whether or not you actually watch Patriots games.


When the Pats go 2-wide, Welker lines up outside. Sometimes when they go 3-wide, Moss ends up in the slot. Welker plays Flanker and Split End quite a bit, so he most certainly can play all 3 positions.

 

[Kontradiction]

Yeah, and only because hes matched up in single coverage against a team's worst cornerback, or a LB, on every play, because the Patriots other WR is better than him.

Wes opens things up for Randy just as much as Randy opens things up for Wes. Welker has abused some pretty decent nickel corners in defenses from time to time. The fact that he's doing this against some team's "worst cornerback or a linebacker" solidifies it for me. Good receivers are supposed to blow those guys out of the water, and that's exactly what Welker has been doing. And, since we're on the subject, didn't Brady, Moss, and the offense in general look awesome when Welker was out of the line-up earlier in the year?

Um, no, Randy Moss, going into this week, was first in receiving yards. Other guys have passed him this week because he hasn't played yet, and they have.

This is actually true.

NFL Stats: Player

 

[Kontradiction]

I love Welker as much as the next guy, but receptions are the most overrated stat out of all the receiving statistics. The best receivers have to be able to line up at all the positions.

Welker does line up at pretty much every single receiver position in this offense. He goes outside and into the slot.

 

[Satchboogie3]

I think we are simply trying to say that Moss has been more IMPRESSIVE this seasons. Sure, Welker is getting a ton of receptions and yards, been when have you EVER seen Welker make a ridiculous catch, dominate in the Endzone, or abuse pro-bowl CBs? If Moss got to lineup in the slot every game while having another #1 receiver wide, he would be impossible to stop.

Also, I don't think you can say "Welker makes Moss better too". Really, how? Point to me games and plays where DBs decided to double-cover Welker rather than Moss. They don't. The only time a safety will go with Welker is if A. He is jumping a route, B. He is in a short zone, or C. He blows his coverage.

We can point to TONS of plays where Moss drew the safety, opening up the middle for Welker to make a catch. It happens all the time, but the opposite almost NEVER happens.

Take Moss off the team and pit Welker against pro-bowl CBs with safety help and he WILL get shut down. He's the best slot receiver in the game and is a great "short-yardage" receiver, but he's no Randy Moss.

 

[PatsFan24]

I live in Fish territory, so I can confirm that it most certainly does. But being the considerate person that I am, I make sure to thank them for the trade each and every game...but for some reason they just don't appreciate it when I do. Go figure. :confused2:

I still have no idea what they were thinking on that. Not only trading him but trading him inside the divison. The Pats must have done some amazing BS to pull that off.