What's wrong with the Chiefs?

[PatsFanInVa]

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Mahomes got the big bucks, they have to save on other area's on the team, he's no Brady and they don't have BB as the coach.

That’s the best part: he hasn’t gotten the big bucks yet. The contract was structured this way to keep their rookie contract window open a little longer, including this season. I’d say in this case it’s a lot more about BB’s GM skills versus the way the Chiefs “built.”

 

[VectorPrime]

Tyreek Hill is unfortunately still safely in his prime but Kelce, who is older than Gronk btw, will slow down.

 

[BobDigital]

First, Booooo.

Second, you don't find the above two bolded statements a bit ironic?

I do, yet both are true most likely. He is over hyped because he wasn't just hyped as the soon to be GOAT. He was hyped as if he was some kind of unstoppable force beyond the limits of other humans. It was and still partly is insane that saying he'll be a top 5 QB is actually under shooting the hype. Btw, I think he'll be in the bottom of that top 5. I'd still take Brady Montana and Staubach over him. Maybe even 1 more guy.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Seems like Mahomes' entire style of play doesn't work without a good 3rd option. After Hill and Kelce who is it right now? Seems like his whole style falls apart without that good 3rd option.

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[rochrist]

Patrick Mahomes isn't chasing Tom Brady – he's chasing Michael Jordan

Tom Brady is a ruthless and brilliant winner. But his opposing number in Sunday’s Super Bowl is on track to redefine the sport

www.theguardian.com

Makes sense since Brady passed Jordan last year.

 

[Vindicate]

Mahomes is still an elite QB but it’s just so immensely satisfying for everyone to come to the stark realization that he isn’t actually playing the game on some higher dimensional plane.

I was surprised Kelce went off as much as he did last year. He was definitely exhausted by the SB. It's no surprise he's down this year.

 

[BobDigital]

Makes sense since Brady passed Jordan last year.

He passed him a few years ago imo. Last year was just a statement. About his dominance in North American team sports.

There is only 1 correct way to compare Jordan to Brady or any 2 guys who play different spots or sports. And that is dominance relative to position/sport. Brady has it over Jordan in almost every way.

Longevity of high play? Brady wins relative to position/sport. Jordan was good at 38/39 with short flashes of greatness. We've seen NBA players do that as well. Brady is playing at a potential MVP level at 44. No QB is close to matching that. Advantage Brady.

Winning: Jordan, as any true all time great in basketball should has wob multiple rings. 6 to be exact. But compared to his modern day contemporaries. It isn't a big gap. Some other top players 5 and a lot have 4. Brady at 7 relative to other QBs is a huge gap. The next highest has 4. And in the salary cap era, no other starting QB has won more 2. Advantage Brady.

Dominance at peak - I'll give this one to Jordan. But partly because its easier to see in basketball. But has wasn't leagues ahead of others at his peak and if Brady was behind it wasn't by much. Still it's questionable.

I coykd go on but you get the idea. Brady hasn't just pulled ahead of other all time great QBs to be the best by a little like Jordan. He has completely run away with it so much that it's staggering. If you compare relative to position the only player even in thesame ball park in Jerry Rice and how he compares to other WRs.

 

[venecol]

I do, yet both are true most likely. He is over hyped because he wasn't just hyped as the soon to be GOAT. He was hyped as if he was some kind of unstoppable force beyond the limits of other humans. It was and still partly is insane that saying he'll be a top 5 QB is actually under shooting the hype. Btw, I think he'll be in the bottom of that top 5. I'd still take Brady Montana and Staubach over him. Maybe even 1 more guy.

Come on man. He's been in the league 3 years and you've already anointed him on QB Mt. Rushmore? How about we wait another 7 years and see where he's at then? Savvy?

 

[moosekill]

Come on man. He's been in the league 3 years and you've already anointed him on QB Mt. Rushmore? How about we wait another 7 years and see where he's at then? Savvy?

This is his 5th year. Didn’t play much year 1. Has 1 Super Bowl win so far. Brady’s first 5 years included 3 Super Bowl wins.

 

[moosekill]

In the end, football is a team sport. It is sooo much easier to do well if you happen to have a great qb on a rookie contract. The tough part is continuing to dominate after that is over and the qb is eating up a huge percentage of your cap $$$.

 

[venecol]

This is his 5th year. Didn’t play much year 1. Has 1 Super Bowl win so far. Brady’s first 5 years included 3 Super Bowl wins.

Fine, 5 more years then. Ten years at QB is a fair amount of time to assess their body of work. He'll be 31 then. We can determine if he peaked too early or if he's continued to improve. He doesn't have the stats to put him in the top 5 all time category. That's nonsense.

 

[moosekill]

Fine, 5 more years then. Ten years at QB is a fair amount of time to assess their body of work. He'll be 31 then. We can determine if he peaked too early or if he's continued to improve. He doesn't have the stats to put him in the top 5 all time category. That's nonsense.

I agree and was just posting for accuracy. A number of qb's have looked like they were going to challenge the goat early in their careers when they were playing for great teams with amazing weapons, however, so far, all have fallen back to earth as soon as it came time to pay the piper.

And to be honest, that is why I am really excited about the Patriots going forward for the next 3-4 years. If Mac continues to improve, the Patriots have a window to become really special. Having him look good this early in his career bodes well for the team going forward.

 

[Ross12]

That’s the best part: he hasn’t gotten the big bucks yet. The contract was structured this way to keep their rookie contract window open a little longer, including this season. I’d say in this case it’s a lot more about BB’s GM skills versus the way the Chiefs “built.”

IMO I think the entire deal was built with the intention of "kicking the can down the road" several times. Some details in this article:

Patrick Mahomes restructures deal: Why this season won't be the only time Chiefs' megastar keeps roster intact

Mahomes can restructure his deal and make sure the Chiefs save cap space every year

www.cbssports.com

The long-story-short is "Mahomes has big roster bonuses every year but he can convert those into signing bonuses every year to save a bunch of cap space." That works fine in these early years, but again, it's kicking the can down the road. If you're spreading out every year's salary/roster bonus over the next 5 years, every single year, those add up and you eventually can't get out of it. So we can say "Wow his cap hit is so big next year" now, but chances are he'll restructure again and it won't be that high after all. But - in another year or two after that - it's probably going to be a disaster.

 

[Tottie]

IMO I think the entire deal was built with the intention of "kicking the can down the road" several times. Some details in this article:

Patrick Mahomes restructures deal: Why this season won't be the only time Chiefs' megastar keeps roster intact

Mahomes can restructure his deal and make sure the Chiefs save cap space every year

www.cbssports.com

The long-story-short is "Mahomes has big roster bonuses every year but he can convert those into signing bonuses every year to save a bunch of cap space." That works fine in these early years, but again, it's kicking the can down the road. If you're spreading out every year's salary/roster bonus over the next 5 years, every single year, those add up and you eventually can't get out of it. So we can say "Wow his cap hit is so big next year" now, but chances are he'll restructure again and it won't be that high after all. But - in another year or two after that - it's probably going to be a disaster.

In today's NFL it's not a bad plan at all. You try to peak in these next 3 years (from when he signed the deal) and then endure a hard year or 2 in the middle while you retool and probably Kelce and Hill are gone. The problem is they sunk everything into an offensive line when the QB doesn't even stay in the pocket to begin with. The defense is bad and TB would of put up 50 on them in the SB if they had to. Somehow they still didn't address it.

 

[BobDigital]

Come on man. He's been in the league 3 years and you've already anointed him on QB Mt. Rushmore? How about we wait another 7 years and see where he's at then? Savvy?

Well it depends what you mean. Do i think he'll get there? Yes. Do I put him there yet no? I'm talking about my projection of him. Clearly he needs to put in more years before he climbs that high. If he gets hurt tomorrow he likely doesn't make the HOF, and rightfully so.

 

[reesebobby]

This is his 5th year. Didn’t play much year 1. Has 1 Super Bowl win so far. Brady’s first 5 years included 3 Super Bowl wins.

True. And then he went 10 years til his next one. I don't think the first 5 years of any quarterback's career defines them. What makes Brady the unquestioned GOAT is his longevity and unbelievable success for such a long time. And that first 5 years is definitely a part. I think if Mahomes wins 3 or 4 in his career then you could start talking about him being a top 5 QB.

 

[tasmlab]

I would say Andy Reid is more on the hot seat than Belichick. For all the talk that Belichick could be fired if he doesn't turn it around even as soon as this year (which I don't buy) by some in the media and some fans, Reid is the guy who may have to worry about his job more. The Pats are rebuilding and just found their replacement QB. The Chiefs were supposed to be one of a handful of teams that were supposed to be in contention for the Super Bowl. They have what most people believed to be the best QB in the league going into this season.

Now I don't think either guy will lose their job any time soon unless one or both decide to retire on their own. But I think a losing season puts Reid closer to an exit than Belichick.

Reid has a winning record every year he's been coaching the Chiefs (since 2013), including before Mahomes. And he went to two superbowls and won one. And he drafted the franchise QB. Seems like a pretty good coach. Arguably the second best in the league.

 

[SamusAranX]

Maybe all of this losing for the chiefs is a case of “what goes around comes around” finally biting them in the arse, deservedly so

 

[Brandon_Cox]

They don't have the toughness of these Chiefs