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As usual the Jets are overhyped and Miami is underhyped. Is there any reason to believe Miami won't be better then last year? The Jets are going to have growing pains, I don't care how good they look on paper or in the media.
 
I know this is all computer generated stuff,but when you predict the Celtics,Steelers,Red Wings as champs and you predict the Giants in 2007 and the Lakers in 2009 (looks like it will be) - Then you have my respect of being pretty damn good at predicting .... just my 2 cents.

If the Pats do go 11-5 it still could make them the #2 seed or #3 in a very competitive AFC this year.

I will go out on a limb and say they will predict San Diego with the most wins in the conference (which I would agree with if the Chargers stay healthy) but with less of an absolute score

Did they predict that? Where is the link? And WHEN did they do so?
 
As usual the Jets are overhyped and Miami is underhyped. Is there any reason to believe Miami won't be better then last year? The Jets are going to have growing pains, I don't care how good they look on paper or in the media.

There is every reason to believe Miami wont be better than last year. They had a fluky season and were an 8-8 team that got 3 extra wins due to weak schedule and fortunate circumstances.
 
I cannot understand how 11-5 could be a reasonable prediction for a team that just went 11-5 with Matt Cassel and now has Tom Brady.
Are people really saying Brady won't make the team any better?
 
I cannot understand how 11-5 could be a reasonable prediction for a team that just went 11-5 with Matt Cassel and now has Tom Brady.
Are people really saying Brady won't make the team any better?

Different schedule,Different players,Different game plans,Different situations

Comparing one season to the next is simply stupid - too many variables happen during a season

Tom Brady makes the QB situation better - What the f#ck does that have to do with the other 52 players? - Brady does not play defense and last time I looked we have garbage as pass rushers which will play a role in a loss or two this season.

Then again do I expect homers to think this team will ever lose more than 1 or 2 games a season ever again in our lifetime? - How dumb of me

I wish we could someday have a little objectivity here,not so much negativeness but more objectivity - This is very likely going to be a dogfight of a division,this is NOT 2007 nor will it likely come close to it - This division is more likely to be decided by one game,maybe two IMO

11-5 or 12-4 is the BEST you can hope for in June with this schedule and an unproven defense
 
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I cannot understand how 11-5 could be a reasonable prediction for a team that just went 11-5 with Matt Cassel and now has Tom Brady.
Are people really saying Brady won't make the team any better?

Clearly the 11-5 is based upon a predicted worse than 2008 performance by the 2009 re-vamped, yet 'aged' defense. If that is so, it's not gonna be fun to watch the Pats D give up 3rd and longs consistently. Color me sceptical of the D being worse and optimisticly predicting a better 2009 defense, especially later in the season as folks get used to each other.

Our 'vulnerability' should be most apparent early in the season as Brady re-adapts to the game at full speed and the re-vamped D is just learning.
 
This computer generated system presented by Fox Sports has been incredible for the past few years predicting all 3 major sports champions last year and has amazing accuracy rate thus far in its history.

Their claims of such high accuracy do need to be taken with a grain of salt. Those predictions were done when it came down to the championship game or series, and were not preseason predictions like this one. In other words they predicted (like most everyone else) that the Steelers would beat the Cardinals; in preseason they predicted the Pats would go 13-3 and win the Super Bowl.

2008 NFL Preview - AFC East From WhatIfSports.com
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Some of their predictions were very good (Jerod Mayo, DeMarcus Ware) and others - such as missing on half the playoff teams - not so good.
 
Different schedule,Different players,Different game plans,Different situations

Comparing one season to the next is simply stupid - too many variables happen during a season

Tom Brady makes the QB situation better - What the f#ck does that have to do with the other 52 players? - Brady does not play defense and last time I looked we have garbage as pass rushers which will play a role in a loss or two this season.

Then again do I expect homers to think this team will ever lose more than 1 or 2 games a season ever again in our lifetime? - How dumb of me

I wish we could someday have a little objectivity here,not so much negativeness but more objectivity - This is very likely going to be a dogfight of a division,this is NOT 2007 nor will it likely come close to it - This division is more likely to be decided by one game,maybe two IMO

11-5 or 12-4 is the BEST you can hope for in June with this schedule and an unproven defense

Thank you for calling me stupid.
You ask for objectivity then give a "I know it all" opinion.
Why will it not be like 2007? Because you dont want it to be? Why is it likely to be decided by one game?
In what areas are the Patriots so much worse than last year that the net gain of adding the geatest QB ever will be zero?
I know you like to act as if the sky is falling, but in order to convince me that the BEST we can be is the same or 1 game better with Tom Brady in place of Matt Cassel you are going to have to show me a ton of things that have gotten a lot worse. Otherwise you are just throwing words in to make "Negative" a post.
 
Clearly the 11-5 is based upon a predicted worse than 2008 performance by the 2009 re-vamped, yet 'aged' defense. If that is so, it's not gonna be fun to watch the Pats D give up 3rd and longs consistently. Color me sceptical of the D being worse and optimisticly predicting a better 2009 defense, especially later in the season as folks get used to each other.

Our 'vulnerability' should be most apparent early in the season as Brady re-adapts to the game at full speed and the re-vamped D is just learning.

I dont consider the D 'revamped'. I think we have the same DL, a healthier group of LBs (a good chunk of our season was starting retired, street FAs last year) a safety group that added a 2nd round choice (Harrison was gone befire the end of last year) and a corner unit that has a draft picks, 2 2nd year players, and 2 new corners who IMO are obvious upgrades to the 2 that are gone.
On offense, we added upgrades at the #3 and #4 WR spots, TE, and depth at RB.

I think looking at the changes, you would have to not look objectively to think there is more than modest decline, and really overall there seems to be improvement in the roster.

I know there are a lot of fans who are afraid of expecting anything, but its just ludicrous IMO to expect this team will do no better than 2008 which was IMO the biggest disaster that could ever happen to the BB-led Patriots.
Its not like we were an 11-5 team that is in decline.
We were a 14-2 to 16-0 team that lost more games because Brady wasn't there, and we have either stayed the same, or gained or regress a small amount in roster changes depeding on your judgment of the players and optimism or pessimism.

I guess the question to the naysayers is what do you think the 11-5 record last year would have been if Brady didn't get injured.
 
It would be awesome if we go to 16-0 in regular season and win SB in Feb.
 
ummm....

It would be awesome if we win the SB in Feb. and doesn't matter to me one single bit what the regular season record is, as long as it's good enough to make the playoffs.
 
I dont consider the D 'revamped'. I think we have the same DL, a healthier group of LBs (a good chunk of our season was starting retired, street FAs last year) a safety group that added a 2nd round choice (Harrison was gone befire the end of last year) and a corner unit that has a draft picks, 2 2nd year players, and 2 new corners who IMO are obvious upgrades to the 2 that are gone.
On offense, we added upgrades at the #3 and #4 WR spots, TE, and depth at RB.

I think looking at the changes, you would have to not look objectively to think there is more than modest decline, and really overall there seems to be improvement in the roster.

I know there are a lot of fans who are afraid of expecting anything, but its just ludicrous IMO to expect this team will do no better than 2008 which was IMO the biggest disaster that could ever happen to the BB-led Patriots.
Its not like we were an 11-5 team that is in decline.
We were a 14-2 to 16-0 team that lost more games because Brady wasn't there, and we have either stayed the same, or gained or regress a small amount in roster changes depeding on your judgment of the players and optimism or pessimism.

I guess the question to the naysayers is what do you think the 11-5 record last year would have been if Brady didn't get injured.

Saying this in all due respect Andy, just giving another side to the debate.

I don't think it's about our team on the decline etc, but more of the parity in the league itself.

Winning 3 out of every 4 games is still pretty darn good, leading to a 12-4 record. You have to admit, the schedule is certainly harder and more challenging this year, not to mention--it's early. We don't know and cannot predict what injuries will occur, or a few fluke plays/calls.

Going 4-2, hell even 5-1 in the division would be incredible. I am sure the team, and our coach would be very happy and pleased with 5 out of 6. That leaves winning 7 or 8 out of the 10 'other' games--which have the potential to be difficult at the very least. That would lead to a 12-4 or 13-3 record, and I think many would be quite happy. Like I said, just the capacity to be able to compete in the postseason would be wonderful, I am quite thankful for that. Anything better is just a cherry on top.

I would imagine 12-4 or 13-3 is pretty right on compared to what most Vegas bookmakers or sportsbooks have us at, but everyone can have different opinions too--without having to be a 'right' or 'wrong.' If yours is a little rosier outlook, then I hope you're more 'right' than the next guy.

As far as last yr's record w/ Brady--I'd say 13-3 or so. But it's a lot harder schedule this yr than last, so the same record would indeed, be an improvement.
 
I dont consider the D 'revamped'. I think we have the same DL, a healthier group of LBs (a good chunk of our season was starting retired, street FAs last year) a safety group that added a 2nd round choice (Harrison was gone befire the end of last year) and a corner unit that has a draft picks, 2 2nd year players, and 2 new corners who IMO are obvious upgrades to the 2 that are gone.
On offense, we added upgrades at the #3 and #4 WR spots, TE, and depth at RB.

I think looking at the changes, you would have to not look objectively to think there is more than modest decline, and really overall there seems to be improvement in the roster.

I know there are a lot of fans who are afraid of expecting anything, but its just ludicrous IMO to expect this team will do no better than 2008 which was IMO the biggest disaster that could ever happen to the BB-led Patriots.
Its not like we were an 11-5 team that is in decline.
We were a 14-2 to 16-0 team that lost more games because Brady wasn't there, and we have either stayed the same, or gained or regress a small amount in roster changes depeding on your judgment of the players and optimism or pessimism.

I guess the question to the naysayers is what do you think the 11-5 record last year would have been if Brady didn't get injured.



Well if the D is not revamped as you say then this defense is certainly in more of a change than in anytime in BBs tenure here. - How these pieces will fit on the 2009 puzzle will show early I am sure.

We will see if our pickups are more like a Junior Seau,Roman Phifer signing or more of a Duane Starks,Monte Beisel signing? - BB has screwed up before on defense when shopping in the FA waters,lets hope this is not an off year in FA for him.
 
FWIW they have all four AFC divisions done now. According to their predictions the Pats and Steelers would get a first round bye with 11-5 records, with the Colts and Chargers winning their divisions with 10-6 records. Not sure who the wildcards would be; they have the Dolphins, Jets and Texans all at 9-7. Jacksonville - we do have their 2nd round pick next year - goes 5-11 (as do the Broncos), ahead of only the 3-13 Browns within the AFC in their predictions.
 
I think it is significant that they posit the possible "Absolute" record as 16-0. So do I.

With a decided Homer view, I confidently predict that this Defensive edition will be significantly better than the 2008 edition, for several reasons.

Meriwether, Mayo, Guyton, Woods, Redd, Crabel, Wheatley, Willhite, and Richardson, are no longer rookies or first year starters. BB has often stated the obvious that the biggest jump a player makes is between his rookie and sophomore years, or his first starting and second starting years. For no other reason, this Defense WILL be better than the 2008 edition.:eek::eek:

But there are other considerations, as well.

The secondary should be better with the addition of veterans Springs, Bodden, Williams, and McGowan. The secondary should also be better by the addition of high draft picks Chung and Butler. The secondary should be better in that Wheatly and Willhite are no longer rookies.:)

The Line-backing should be better. Mayo and Guyton are no longer rookies. Paris Lenon, a previous starting ILB veteran, adds good depth. Woods won the SOLB job from Mike Vrabel last year, so he will have more experience to build upon. It is unlikely that the OLB crew will be hit as heavily with injuries. IR for Adalius and Woods, and a hurting Vrabel contributed to the loss of nine sacks last year, the difference from a "good" pass rush and the "mediocre" but respectable one that they fielded.:eek:

This Defense is much faster than the "experienced" Defenses the Pats have heretofore fielded. Speed Kills, and this Defense has young, fast experience everywhere. Thomas, Mayo, Guyton, and Crabel all run inthe 4.5s, rare speed in big linebackers, and exceptional speed even for tiny ones.:)

The Defensive line now has has a legitimate reserve NT, to allow Wilfork to get a breather on occasion. Playing NT and receiving constant double team blocking, is an exhausting job. Keeping Wilfork fresh will materially help in the Defense against the run; that run Defense was not that bad at all, last year. :D

The 2008 Patriots Defense had lots of problems stopping the short pass over the middle. Experience for Mayo, Guyton, and Meriwether, together with new comers, Williams, Chung and McGowan should help address this former weakness. If the run defense is slightly improved, by keeping Wilfork fresh, and/or Warren healthy, the average opponent's third down is going to be an obvious passing down, as opposed to the frequent run-or-pass equal probability situations that the 2008 Defense faced.:)

An awesome, best in the League, Offense returns. This will result in the Defense often playing with a comfortable lead, and eventually making opponents predictable. Opponents will be passing all the time, trying to catch up. That is a recipe for lots of sacks and turnovers, an opportunity that the 2008 edition did not have.:D

In the urge to find fault with the 2008 Defense, people forget that despite the injuries, and the unsteady play of Cassel for his first few games, putting extra pressure on the defenders, the Defense was the Top Tenth in Yards Allowed; and Top Eighth in Points Allowed. It had a high percentage of red one touchdowns allowed, but it was against one of the lowest number of red zone appearances allowed, in the League. So in reality, the Patriots 2008 bend-but-don't-break Defense stopped most teams BEFORE they penetrated to the red zone. ;)
 
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