What to do with Isaiah Wynn

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Specifically pass pro - When I watch film he's not nearly as balanced on the RT side. Very front loaded. I haven't seen him use independent hands much at all this year which obviously doesn't help in that area. One of our better run blockers but pass pro hasn't been that good compared to years past. He generates everything from the bottom up and used to really flash those hands but not so much recently.

 

[mgteich]

Wynn is the typical underachieving 1st round pick of the current Belichick era. Are we surprised that he's sucking in year 5? The Patriots clearly shouldn't have picked up his option and are wasting 10m dollars of valuable cap space that could have been spent on someone who actually wants to be on the team and might have the talent to help us.

When we picked up his option, the team had Herron and Cajuste as their signed OT's for the next year. Belichick chose to use $10M of cap room. In hindsight, he just shouldn't' have bothered. He should have finished the season with zero OT's going into free agency.

 

[mgteich]

It's a headscratcher. Dude is in a contract year. He's had stretches where he played well in the past. You'd think he'd be trying to earn a decent contract from someone.

Wynn was an OK LT, not great, not even above average, but OK. The superior new OL coaching staff decided to try him out at RT in his last year. This made sense to someone. We had two OK veterans OT's, one at LT and one at RT. Moving Wynn to RT reduced the quality of the OL.

 

[archstanton543]

If he's disgruntled they should trade him for a bag of balls... that being said I don't get the consternation about what he's making on what amounts to a one year deal. If Cannon steps in and plays the way we know he can who cares, is it your money?

If the Pats were 4-0 right now nobody would give a rat's ass. I mean the BB haters will always complain, but that's who they are... they say our best players suck. O-Line is the least of our worries, it's one of the best units in the league assuming they stay healthy.

If we had better QB play this would be one of the best teams in the league. We need them to stop turning the ball over. Maybe Zappe can provide that, he doesn't have to be amazing. He has to be a system QB... like Tom was on his first rookie contract... regardless of whether the fanboys can admit it or not.

It is our money, though. Without fans buying tickets, merchandise, etc there would be no team. I hate that argument. Of course it's our money.

Plus, if the team mismanages their money, they're going to be non-competitive. Too many bad contracts can absolutely hamper a team.

 

[venecol]

Think Scar would be amenable to come in and have a little come-to-jesus talk with him? Maybe inspire him a bit?

We don't need Scar. We have Patricia who used to play OL in college. Patricia was also a DC, which gave him all the experience he needed to be both an OL coach and OC. Plus, the guy is wicked smaht.

As far as inspiration, Patricia used to be a HC so he knows how to inspire players. Just ask his former players.

This has nothing to do with coaching or with changing the playbook, this is just Wynn being lazy. Just look at his PFF grades:
2020 (LT): 82.6
2021 (LT): 74.9
2022 (RT): 66.7

And it has nothing to do with switching tackle positions, even though he never played RT before, because Brown's grades improved:
2020 (RT): 68.9
2021 (RT): 74.4
2022 (LT): 74.6

Just that 0.2 point increase for Brown by switching him to LT shows it was worth it. Genius move really, despite the 8 pt drop at RT because of Wynn's laziness.

The OL is playing great. We're top 10 in pass/run blocking. The fact we lost both QB1 and QB2 in back to back games is just bad luck. That sh*t happens all the time.

 

[Pape]

We don't need Scar. We have Patricia who used to play OL in college. Patricia was also a DC, which gave him all the experience he needed to be both an OL coach and OC. Plus, the guy is wicked smaht.

As far as inspiration, Patricia used to be a HC so he knows how to inspire players. Just ask his former players.

This has nothing to do with coaching or with changing the playbook, this is just Wynn being lazy. Just look at his PFF grades:
2020 (LT): 82.6
2021 (LT): 74.9
2022 (RT): 66.7

And it has nothing to do with switching tackle positions, even though he never played RT before, because Brown's grades improved:
2020 (RT): 68.9
2021 (RT): 74.4
2022 (LT): 74.6

Just that 0.2 point increase for Brown by switching him to LT shows it was worth it. Genius move really, despite the 8 pt drop at RT because of Wynn's laziness.

The OL is playing great. We're top 10 in pass/run blocking. The fact we lost both QB1 and QB2 in back to back games is just bad luck. That sh*t happens all the time.

Need Scar? No.

Want Scar? Yes.

And the line is only as good as the weakest player. Right now, that's Wynn. And great isn't how I'd describe him.

 

[venecol]

Wynn was an OK LT, not great, not even above average, but OK. The superior new OL coaching staff decided to make try him out at RT in his last year. This made sense to someone. We had two OK veterans OT's, one at LT and one at RT. Moving Wynn to RT reduced the quality of the OL.

Agree with this. Neither one seemed happy with the switch and I'm sure Patricia's my way or the highway stance didn't help.

Maybe switching them back should be considered. Before you guys think I'm crazy suggesting this, Brown hasn't been the great wall of china at LT either.

 

[mgteich]

We don't need Scar. We have Patricia who used to play OL in college. Patricia was also a DC, which gave him all the experience he needed to be both an OL coach and OC. Plus, the guy is wicked smaht.

As far as inspiration, Patricia used to be a HC so he knows how to inspire players. Just ask his former players.

This has nothing to do with coaching or with changing the playbook, this is just Wynn being lazy. Just look at his PFF grades:
2020 (LT): 82.6
2021 (LT): 74.9
2022 (RT): 66.7

And it has nothing to do with switching tackle positions, even though he never played RT before, because Brown's grades improved:
2020 (RT): 68.9
2021 (RT): 74.4
2022 (LT): 74.6

Just that 0.2 point increase for Brown by switching him to LT shows it was worth it. Genius move really, despite the 8 pt drop at RT because of Wynn's laziness.

The OL is playing great. We're top 10 in pass/run blocking. The fact we lost both QB1 and QB2 in back to back games is just bad luck. That sh*t happens all the time.

Yes, Brown is solid at both LT and RT.

Somehow, Wynn is LAZY because he isn't a solid RT, even though he was OK at LT.

Please note that Wynn's grade at LT in 2020 and 2021 are better than Brown. Even at LT, arguably there hasn't been much of an improvement.

BOTTOM LINE
The stats you point out do NOT show that Wynn is LAZY. They show that he is much better at LT.

As far as stats, the switch of Wynn to RT has been a failure. Switch them back and get on with it!

AS AN ASIDE
I suspect that Brown was moved to LT because he was expected to play be better with a rookie LG.

 

[venecol]

Yes, Brown is solid at both LT and RT.

Somehow, Wynn is LAZY because he isn't a solid RT, even though he was OK at LT.

Please note that Wynn's grade at LT in 2020 and 2021 are better than Brown. Even at LT, arguably there hasn't been much of an improvement.

BOTTOM LINE
The stats you point out do NOT show that Wynn is LAZY. They show that he is much better at LT.

As far as stats, the switch of Wynn to RT has been a failure. Switch them back and get on with it!

AS AN ASIDE
I suspect that Brown was moved to LT because he was expected to play be better with a rookie LG.

I guess my sarcasm didn't come across via text.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Agree with this. Neither one seemed happy with the switch and I'm sure Patricia's my way or the highway stance didn't help.

Maybe switching them back should be considered. Before you guys think I'm crazy suggesting this, Brown hasn't been the great wall of china at LT either.

Brown gave up the big sack at the Miami goal line that turned into a touchdown for the Dolphins. God forbid the reaction if that had been Wynn.

I don't understand why they made the switch. Both were good last year at the opposite tackle position. Trent is going to be good at either, but it appears that Isiah isn't as good at RT. BB & MP have to talking about that this week.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Guy got benched in the Packers game... Benched and I didnt even notice... though I should have...

hes not a all time great tackle.... but he's also not Alex Leatherwood or Tony Mandarich by any stretch of the imagination, though some will try to lead you to believe that... with that said though, he's playing like crap, tbh... its like he has zero motivation out there... lackadaisical blocks, getting out hustled... there is no reason any edge rusher should be able to run wide right around him... but we've seen it time and time again.. one half hearted push by wynn, and wham, the qb is eating grass...

We have seen in the past that the guy can play... its a contract year for him... I'd like Billy Yates to take it upon himself to make Wynns life truly miserable until he snaps out of it and starts playing... think he's going to be able to take his head outta his ass and start playing football?

The guy could have lined himself up for a monster payday in the offseason, but has completely obliterated any chance at a big pyday

If he can't perform in a contract year, then yikes

 

[venecol]

Brown gave up the big sack at the Miami goal line that turned into a touchdown for the Dolphins. God forbid the reaction if that had been Wynn.

I don't understand why they made the switch. Both were good last year at the opposite tackle position. Trent is going to be good at either, but it appears that Isiah isn't as good at RT. BB & MP have to talking about that this week.

The theory I heard was because of the OZB scheme they were trying to develop. Logic being to balance the athleticism across the line. They should've abandoned that when that scheme wasn't working.

 

[mgteich]

The guy could have lined himself up for a monster payday in the offseason, but instead seems to not care, lacks motivation, attention to detail, etc and has completely obliterated any chance at a big pyday

If he can't motivate himself in a contract year, then he can't motivate himself

Utter nonsense!

Wynn is playing out of position. He is basically a rookie RT instead of an almost average veteran LT. There is ZERO evidence that the issue is motivation.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Utter nonsense!

Wynn is playing out of position. He is basically a rookie RT instead of an almost average veteran LT. There is ZERO evidence that the issue is motivation.

Well im going to call him lazy and hope the word gets out in media etc, to light a fire under this waste of space

 

[venecol]

The guy could have lined himself up for a monster payday in the offseason, but has completely obliterated any chance at a big pyday

If he can't perform in a contract year, then yikes

Wynn & Brown played better at LT & RT respectively. The decision to switch them when Wynn has never played RT is 100% on the coaches. On top of that they throw new schemes at them. Brown had his failures at LT allowing two brutal blind side sacks of Mac (3 total).

 

[mgteich]

The theory I heard was because of the OZB scheme they were trying to develop. Logic being to balance the athleticism across the line. They should've abandoned that when that scheme wasn't working.

The announcers discussed scheme and indicated that the team has taken out much of the changes (as was expected). Overall, the OL is playing well. The issue is whether personnel are in the right position for the current scheme. It is so difficult for us to understand why Wynn isn't playing LT.

 

[Pape]

Utter nonsense!

Wynn is playing out of position. He is basically a rookie RT instead of an almost average veteran LT. There is ZERO evidence that the issue is motivation.

Would you re-sign him, extend his deal?

 

[Wozzy]

It is our money, though. Without fans buying tickets, merchandise, etc there would be no team. I hate that argument. Of course it's our money.

Plus, if the team mismanages their money, they're going to be non-competitive. Too many bad contracts can absolutely hamper a team.

It's not your money, it's Bob Kraft's money. The Pats have one of the best offensive lines in the league... who cares?

 

[203Pat]

Which is why I said I don't think we'd get a 2nd. How about reading what was written instead of replying to what you think was written.

How about having a clue? What good does trading him do us this year? We free up cap space to sign who? Trading him in this year does nothing for us. Wynn may not be great but at least he can fill in the swing tackle role until Cannon gets gassed or injured. There is no point in trading a guy for peanuts to gain cap space that will be cleared in March anyways.

 

[203Pat]

It is our money, though. Without fans buying tickets, merchandise, etc there would be no team. I hate that argument. Of course it's our money.

Plus, if the team mismanages their money, they're going to be non-competitive. Too many bad contracts can absolutely hamper a team.

He is one of those that thinks we owe the team and not the other way around. I will never understand the notion that us Joe Blow's of the world "owe" something to a multibillion dollar corporation because it has provided us entertainment. That is the main function of the NFL; to provide entertainment. They are fighting for our money and owe it to the fans to provide a compelling product.