What is wrong with Jacoby Brissett?

[NashuaPats]

Please identify for me the coach or team official who went on record "making it clear" saying "they wanted Garoppolo to tough it out" vs. Buffalo. All I recall is unconfirmed media speculation.

Also, please share a link to information released PRIOR to the Buffalo game confirming Brissett's need for surgery. I follow this team closely and never saw that.

I'm not going to look up the dozens of media reports from last September/October. You can if you like, there were many, many reports on this. I don't know how you could have missed it.

 

[Tony2046]

It helps to also have watched them in practice.

Sure. I like what I saw from Brissett in his first year and I understand JG is the better backup after three but I'm not going to call one a career backup and the other "the next Aaron Rodgers" after two games a piece.

 

[rochrist]

I'm sure he was disappointed. Not saying he wasn't. But I bet Brady would have played if the team needed him. Especially if he knew his services would likely not be required past game 4.

I also never used the word overrated, although some of the talk around here that he's the next Brady after not even 90 minutes of very good but less than amazing meaningful football against two not-so-great teams is kind of hilarious.

Yes, I'm sure Brady would have played if he couldn't lift his arm. He probably would have thrown left handed, 4TDS!

 

[Tunescribe]

I'm not going to look up the dozens of media reports from last September/October. You can if you like, there many, many reports on this. I don't know how you could have missed it.

But all you're offering is hearsay and conjecture. Fact is there were no reports prior to the Buffalo game that Brissett needed thumb surgery, and there was nothing on the record from anyone on the team that they expected Garoppolo to play that game.

 

[bruce_w]

Holy hell dude, how good do you think JG is?!

Jimmy G is like Tom Brady on steroids. He can do everything Tom can do and more. Sorry people but it is true, Belichick has struck gold twice and you don't trade that away.

 

[NashuaPats]

But all you're offering is hearsay and conjecture. Fact is there were no reports prior to the Buffalo game that Brissett needed thumb surgery, and there was nothing on the record from anyone on the team that they expected Garoppolo to play that game.

There was a lot of conversation about all of this leading up to that game. It would be a fair argument to say that it was speculative and exaggerated, but to pretend it never happened or insist that I need to cite the reports or conversations on talk radio, no.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

My recollection is that they tried out JAG's throwing arm and it was so Manning like that they felt that Bisquick was the healthier QB option. Jacoby could also run when need be without needing morphine after being tackled.

 

[Tunescribe]

There was a lot of conversation about all of this leading up to that game. It would be a fair argument to say that it was speculative and exaggerated, but to pretend it never happened or insist that I need to cite the reports, no.

You aren't citing specifics because none are available to cite, and you know it. You've fallen into the trap of accepting unconfirmed media blather as fact.

 

[sb1]

Yes, I'm sure Brady would have played if he couldn't lift his arm. He probably would have thrown left handed, 4TDS!

So then if I were playing for the Pats and I got hurt on a hit that means Tom Brady would be hurt in the same way by the same hit? I think the answer and what it means is obvious enough to be left unsaid.

 

[NashuaPats]

You aren't citing specifics because none are available to cite, and you know it. You've fallen into the trap of accepting unconfirmed media blather as fact.

Of course all of it, and there was a lot of it, was uncomfirmed. Belichick doesn't give us anything. That's one of the realities of being a Pats fan. It was a fact that Brisset had a significant thumb injury. It was a fact that Garroppolo was stated as expected to play the day before the game. The rest was all speculation by all Boston media all week leading up to the game. You say you follow the team closely, do you honestly not remember that? There was so many attempts to read between the lines and there were reasonable different interpretations. Maybe, we disagree and/or maybe you weren't paying much attention that week.

 

[rochrist]

So then if I were playing for the Pats and I got hurt on a hit that means Tom Brady would be hurt in the same way by the same hit? I think the answer and what it means is obvious enough to be left unsaid.

I have no idea what that even means, but it appears to be pretty much nonsense.
The guy had grade 2 AC shoulder separation. The question of that particular hit doing the exact same thing is subject to thousands of tiny random factors. Yes, he might have been hurt the same way. Or he might have been hurt worse. Or less. You have no way of knowing. Nor do you know anything about how JG was responding to his. But that's an injury that just isn't going to allow you to throw effectively if it hasn't subsided enough.
Not sure what you're playing for the Pats has to do with anything at all.

 

[Froob]

I don't understand why Brady didn't just play. I got suspended and played in my 7th grade recess football game and won.

 

[Nunchucks]

You aren't citing specifics because none are available to cite, and you know it. You've fallen into the trap of accepting unconfirmed media blather as fact.

It would never be confirmed by the team...except of course he did have surgery right after the game...so, yeah

 

[deroc5050]

I completely agree. He had a phenomenal preseason. I believe he completed something like 9 passes in a row at one point. He looked good throwing the ball to all areas of the field. He may still be developing, but he has a whole off season to work on it.

People are seriously underrating him, calling him "not ready." The Patriots obviously like him a lot.

Well if the Patriots were so confident in Brissets abilities it doesn't take a rocket scientist to ask why they are holding on to JG instead of collecting a kings ransom from Cleveland.

 

[Nunchucks]

Well if the Patriots were so confident in Brissets abilities it doesn't take a rocket scientist to ask why they are holding on to JG instead of collecting a kings ransom from Cleveland.

They like the G better at this time
..obviously

 

[deroc5050]

How do you know Brady would've played with the same injury? How do you know Garoppolo was physically capable of playing in that game? What team source said they weren't pleased? This is nonsense. He had a freaking TORN LIGAMENT in this throwing shoulder.

Link: Garoppolo has Grade 2 AC joint injury; has difficulty raising arm

I had a mild separated shoulder playing Basketball.. and I was in a lot of pain and that wasn't even close to what JG was dealing with.

 

[NashuaPats]

Well if the Patriots were so confident in Brissets abilities it doesn't take a rocket scientist to ask why they are holding on to JG instead of collecting a kings ransom from Cleveland.

Maybe you are right or maybe they are trying to drive up the price. We will know soon enough. I'm looking forward to finding out.

 

[deroc5050]

They like the G better at this time
..obviously

Well thats not really the point. Thats short sighted. If the Patriots think Jacoby is a possible starting QB for New England and they are getting huge offers for Jimmy. I am quite certain that they would roll with Brady and trade JG for the picks.

The Patriots probably don't know what Jacoby is yet. So he is a true unknown.

 

[GodBrady]

I am seriously in disbelief at how much people romanticize that Texans game.

He had 103 yards passing. He completed only 57.9% of his passes, and had a repulsive 5.42 yards per attempt, and a horrible-in-the-pass-happy-modern-era 72.9 passer rating (Brock Osweiler, who was probably the worst QB in football this year, had a rating of 72.2 on the year). Aside from that sweet bootleg where he picked up like 30 yards, this was a completely forgettable performance.

Yes, I know he was a rookie. Yes, I know he was a third-string player. He looked like both of those things. By the way people romanticize that performance, you'd think he dropped 5 TD and passed for 500 yards. He did not look "good", he looked like a limited game-manager. This was not a game where you thought, "wow, this guy has a bright future", it was a game where you thought, "wow, this is a third-string player that they are game-planning around".

I'm not saying Brissett can't develop into a good player. He is a bright kid, and we drafted him relatively high. But holy hell, nothing we saw in that Texans game is indicative of any of that, can we please stop exaggerating the performance just call a spade a spade?

 

[Nunchucks]

What was Brady's completion percentage against the Texans?

Btw, limited game manager...sounfs like Brady in 2001 and 2002