DRAFT Welcome to New England, Ohio St RB TreVeyon Henderson

[BobDigital]

Gibbs was drafted at #12…rather interesting take here.

Well I don't care where Gibbs was drafted I care how good he is. And let me be completely clear. I am not saying this going by what Gibbs did last year, which may well be a to 5 year for him. That was a very good and impactful year given his position. But not as impactful as most believe. RB is a funny position. Which I believe is often over valued even today even when it comes to many of the top players at the position.

But this isn't to say RB can't be valuable. It can be incredibly valuable. All positions grow in value sharply the closer you get from low end to high end. But this is true for no other position the way it is for RB (outside of QB which is pretty close).

Great running backs having a good year is over valued.

Good running backs having a great year is over valued

Great running backs having great years dramatically shoots up when it comes to value, particularly if we are talking about a RB whose a legit double threat. I know all positions do, but RB in particular.

A MacCaffrey or Marshall Faulk or Walter Peyton I am happy fine spending the about the same same value on I would any other all time WR or TE. They becomes that valuable. A Derrick Henry or OJ Simpson who doesn't catch much becomes much less valuable and fall down a draft board sharply. The same for a RB that is a double threat but only slightly less dynamic. The difference between a WR like Jerry Rice vs say Mike Evans exist and but is not as sharply felt imo when it comes to pure impact on the game.

 

[manxman2601]

 

[Huckleberry1]

Gibbs was drafted at #12…rather interesting take here.

It’s a horrible take. I don’t know if Bob is a Michigan fan but for whatever reason he just hates Henderson. It’s one of the most irrational takes I have seen. He is way off the mark on Henderson.

 

[Pats2000]

They desperately needed some explosive players on offense. McDaniels has always featured a passing down back heavily, but with Maye still so young it might not make sense to go with a guy like Faulk, Vereen, White who was really only a passing game type guy. Henderson might not be the receiver those guys are, but supposedly a great blocker which give him utility on those formations while still being a threat to actually call a traditional run play. That’s going to help Maye, having that dual threat even when they go passing back.

Go watch White run the ball in for a TD in the Falcons Superbowl and tell me he was a passing guy only. Probably one of the best short yardage runs I've seen in a Superbowl

 

[RobertWeathers]

Go watch White run the ball in for a TD in the Falcons Superbowl and tell me he was a passing guy only. Probably one of the best short yardage runs I've seen in a Superbowl

I don't think the poster meant White couldn't run the ball but more about having a RB who was a top 5 target in the offense- which is something White, KFaulk, Vereen and even Woody were. All those players were good route runners and excelled in blitz/rusher pickup and allowed Tom extra time to find his target.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Ultimately Henderson will be judged by how others on the board did. Luther Burden went right after him; I suspect that he will be good , but burn out in a couple of years. TE Mason Taylor would also have been good pick, but we will not know if he is better than Henderson for a year or so.

I was shocked and dismayed when the Patriots picked Henderson, but after I watched some highlights, I was very satisfied with the pick.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ultimately Henderson will be judged by how others on the board did. Luther Burden went right after him; I suspect that he will be good , but burn out in a couple of years. TE Mason Taylor would also have been good pick, but we will not know if he is better than Henderson for a year or so.

I was shocked and dismayed when the Patriots picked Henderson, but after I watched some highlights, I was very satisfied with the pick.

Disagree. He'll be judged on how well he does here.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Go watch White run the ball in for a TD in the Falcons Superbowl and tell me he was a passing guy only. Probably one of the best short yardage runs I've seen in a Superbowl

Sure, it was a great play. All time memory. But I stand by my larger point. In 2018 he had 94 carries for 425 yards and in 2019 he had 67 carries for 263. Those are low numbers and outside of those two years he never cracked 175 rushing yards or 45 carries in a single season despite being our highest snap count back a lot of those years.

The reality is that when James White was on the field, it was a huge tell to the defense that it was going to be a pass play. That makes the pass easier to defend with a key like that. it didn't matter with Tom Brady but it probably will for Maye in year 2 (and likely longer because Brady is the GOAT for a reason). A back like Henderson will be someone who can be that passing game back, but also with a real dual threat so he won't be such a key for the defense that it's, in all likelihood, a passing play. That'll make reads easier for Maye.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I don't think the poster meant White couldn't run the ball but more about having a RB who was a top 5 target in the offense- which is something White, KFaulk, Vereen and even Woody were. All those players were good route runners and excelled in blitz/rusher pickup and allowed Tom extra time to find his target.

Eh, I really meant just that he DIDN'T run the ball. He could in the very limited situations they gave him the ball on handoffs (or tosses, shoutout to the SB play haha), but they really only did that sparingly and when the defense was giving it to them. He really wasn't a dual threat at all. He was a tell to the defense that it was a passing play, in all likelihood. That makes it easier for the defense to disguise and harder for the QB to diagnose, which was fine with Brady but probably an unfair ask of Maye in year 2. Henderson will give him a passing game back without that clear tell to the defense, which will be huge IMO.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Eh, I really meant just that he DIDN'T run the ball. He could in the very limited situations they gave him the ball on handoffs (or tosses, shoutout to the SB play haha), but they really only did that sparingly and when the defense was giving it to them. He really wasn't a dual threat at all. He was a tell to the defense that it was a passing play, in all likelihood.

Agree 100%. Jame White had more than 10 carries 4 times in over 100 games. That was not his purpose.

That makes it easier for the defense to disguise and harder for the QB to diagnose, which was fine with Brady but probably an unfair ask of Maye in year 2. Henderson will give him a passing game back without that clear tell to the defense, which will be huge IMO.

Yep.

During the Brady years a guy like James White, Vereen, Woody and later years KFaulk who were not pure running threats didn't matter if they were obvious passing threats as Tom he was so good at getting in/out plays, moving people around, finding matchups, etc.

Before blowing out his hip, White was off to a solid start during Macs rookie year. My belief is he would have had similar numbers as he was THAT good. Bolden had 41 catches as the "passing" back but was not in White's class.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Disagree. He'll be judged on how well he does here.

And he’s going to get plenty of chances. Henderson is going to be in on passing downs from day 1., carrying the ball, catching passes out of the backfield, and protecting Drake Maye. I don’t know who here has seen the clips of him blocking but he was decleating linebackers and stonewalling defensive linemen, it’s phenomenal. Colts general manager Chris Ballard says he may be the best blocking running back he’s ever seen coming out of college. So it’s likely to be Stevenson on first down, and then Henderson on 2nd and 3rd downs.

 

[RobertWeathers]

And he’s going to get plenty of chances. Henderson is going to be in on passing downs from day 1., carrying the ball, catching passes out of the backfield, and protecting Drake Maye. I don’t know who here has seen the clips of him blocking but he was decleating linebackers and stonewalling defensive linemen, it’s phenomenal. Colts general manager Chris Ballard says he may be the best blocking running back he’s ever seen coming out of college. So it’s likely to be Stevenson on first down, and then Henderson on 2nd and 3rd downs.

I'm not convinced Rham will be here. Gibson runs just as hard and is a better receiver IMO.

Also Gibson was in WASH for many years and Vrabel has some buddies on that coaching staff. Not sure what they've said about him but if it's positive, Rham could be fighting for a roster spot of Gibson outplays him in camp.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Remember how electric Dion Lewis was for the Patriots in his short stint here?

Imagine having Dion Lewis, but younger, 12 lbs bigger, and even faster straight line speed?

I think if Josh McDaniels fully schemes Henderson, he is going to end up tormenting defenses.

He has the ability to take a screen pass, read the blocks, and make the defense pay. If he creates a missed tackle, he's off to the races!

Add in the fact that Henderson is already a rock solid NFL-ready pass blocker and Drake Maye just picked up a great security blanket as well as a dangerous weapon.

 

[VJCPatriot]

And he’s going to get plenty of chances. Henderson is going to be in on passing downs from day 1., carrying the ball, catching passes out of the backfield, and protecting Drake Maye. I don’t know who here has seen the clips of him blocking but he was decleating linebackers and stonewalling defensive linemen, it’s phenomenal. Colts general manager Chris Ballard says he may be the best blocking running back he’s ever seen coming out of college. So it’s likely to be Stevenson on first down, and then Henderson on 2nd and 3rd downs.

I've watched the clips of Henderson passblocking and he's phenomenal. He's handling it exceptionally wall and just bricking up those guys. He's not just a willing blocker he seems to have a real knack for it too.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm not convinced Rham will be here. Gibson runs just as hard and is a better receiver IMO.

Also Gibson was in WASH for many years and Vrabel has some buddies on that coaching staff. Not sure what they've said about him but if it's positive, Rham could be fighting for a roster spot of Gibson outplays him in camp.

I think guys like Rham, Duggars, and Onwenu are going to get a year to prove their worth, and will be released or traded before free agency next year if they don’t demonstrate it, I think they are safe for this year. Plus they can’t afford to get rid of depth.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I'm not convinced Rham will be here. Gibson runs just as hard and is a better receiver IMO.

NOT!!

Weird coaching affects different players different ways. We have to be patient and see how things work out with Vrabel's coaching staff.

 

[Grogan14]

NOT!!

Weird coaching affects different players different ways. We have to be patient and see how things work out with Vrabel's coaching staff.

Rham has been overrated since being drafted. 7 fumbles last year means he has to earn his job.
There is nothing unique or special in his game

 

[RobertWeathers]

NOT!!

Weird coaching affects different players different ways. We have to be patient and see how things work out with Vrabel's coaching staff.

Based on last year, Gibson was the better RB.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Based on last year, Gibson was the better RB.

Very small sample size with a disaster of a coaching situation. Gibson is the more experienced RB, but Stevenson is the most talented. Going forward, I am placing my bet on Stevenson.

Do you want to place a gentelmen's bet? All you can drink at Funky Murphy for the 1st 2025 home game?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Rham has been overrated since being drafted. 7 fumbles last year means he has to earn his job.
There is nothing unique or special in his game

Stevenson is uniquely strong and powerful with above aveage quickness and soft hands - that is unique.

Having said that, Stevenson is emotional. He will be OK. Vrable will love Stevenson and knows how to get the most out of him.

Everything in life is not a straight line.