We are lucky to have Amendola

[Avenger]

Their offers sucked and they had 2 years to sign him and didn't bother. As far as his market goes show one other instance where a team tagged a player at 10 million for one year and their offer following it up was 2 years at substantially less than that., it's never happened before and there was absolutely no way that he or his agent could have seen that coming. And as far as the Bronco's letting him go that is purely Welker hater fantasy, it won't happen. Kraft is a HOF owner and there isn't an owner I would rather have, but he's a liar when it comes to Welker, they didn't want him, period, and his "We love Wes and wanted him here for life" is flat out total bullsh.t.


I'm going to leave it here because I had dropped this long ago and have no interest in discussing it any longer. The moron haters are going to hate and that is all there is to it. As far as I'm concerned Welker should wave to half the Patriots fans in thanks when he returns and raise his middle finger to the other half, because that's all they deserve.

I think facts show that the franchise tag was an overvaluation that the Patriots conceded to because they wanted Welker back. Facts do not support your argument good chap.

 

[chasa]

the Tag was to keep welker a patriot and get him to sign the extension which is turned down. the welker apologist who blame the patriots for him leaving seriously need to stop watching espn.

Welker turned down more money long term to join the broncos. welker wanted to leave.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Their offers sucked and they had 2 years to sign him and didn't bother. As far as his market goes show one other instance where a team tagged a player at 10 million for one year and their offer following it up was 2 years at substantially less than that., it's never happened before and there was absolutely no way that he or his agent could have seen that coming.

OTOH, that offer was 100% guaranteed, which is something that to my knowledge has never happened on a multi-year contract that large.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think facts show that the franchise tag was an overvaluation that the Patriots conceded to because they wanted Welker back. Facts do not support your argument good chap.

The facts support my argument 100%, no team has ever followed up a franchise tag with a multi year deal that barely eclipsed the one year tag, and no one can find an instance where it has happened before. The Patriots used the tag to block Welker from going into a good WR market and then offered him dogsh.t. It is ultimately the fault of the NFLPA for not putting a stipulation into the new deal requiring teams to make good faith offers when tagging a player so the Patriots got away with it, but anyone who actually believes they wanted him to "be a Patriot for life" is so deluded that any discussion is useless. The Patriots got their man, it was Amendola, they had zero interest in retaining Welker.

 

[chasa]

The facts support my argument 100%, no team has ever followed up a franchise tag with a multi year deal that barely eclipsed the one year tag, and no one can find an instance where it has happened before. The Patriots used the tag to block Welker from going into a good WR market and then offered him dogsh.t. It is ultimately the fault of the NFLPA for not putting a stipulation into the new deal requiring teams to make good faith offers when tagging a player so the Patriots got away with it, but anyone who actually believes they wanted him to "be a Patriot for life" is so deluded that any discussion is useless. The Patriots got their man, it was Amendola, they had zero interest in retaining Welker.

yeah HOW DARE the patriots use the franchise tag in the exact way that it was intended.

 

[Avenger]

The facts support my argument 100%, no team has ever followed up a franchise tag with a multi year deal that barely eclipsed the one year tag, and no one can find an instance where it has happened before. The Patriots used the tag to block Welker from going into a good WR market and then offered him dogsh.t. It is ultimately the fault of the NFLPA for not putting a stipulation into the new deal requiring teams to make good faith offers when tagging a player so the Patriots got away with it, but anyone who actually believes they wanted him to "be a Patriot for life" is so deluded that any discussion is useless. The Patriots got their man, it was Amendola, they had zero interest in retaining Welker.

how was it not a good faith offer when it turned out to be higher than what he was offered the next year? the tag was 9 and change, the aav fully guaranteed was 8, that's not substantially less.

 

[chasa]

The facts support my argument 100%, no team has ever followed up a franchise tag with a multi year deal that barely eclipsed the one year tag, and no one can find an instance where it has happened before. The Patriots used the tag to block Welker from going into a good WR market and then offered him dogsh.t. It is ultimately the fault of the NFLPA for not putting a stipulation into the new deal requiring teams to make good faith offers when tagging a player so the Patriots got away with it, but anyone who actually believes they wanted him to "be a Patriot for life" is so deluded that any discussion is useless. The Patriots got their man, it was Amendola, they had zero interest in retaining Welker.

Steve weatherford was franchised at 2.665 mil a year, signed a contract that average 2.55.
Cliff avril signed a 10.6 franchise, new team gave him contract worth 6.5.
fred davis signed 5.4 million franchise tag, next year signed a 2.5 mil 1 year deal.
ray rice 7.7 mil franchise, contract worth 7 a year.
matt forte 7.7 franchise contract worth 7.6
mike nugent 2.654 franchise new contract 1.15 a year
phil dawson 3.81 franchise new team contract 2.35 a year


Hmm, that looks like a whole lot of players making less the year after the franchise tag.

I believe good sir, that you just got served

 

[Bruins29]

The Patriots used the tag to block Welker from going into a good WR market and then offered him dogsh.t.

Diddnt the pats offer him significantly more last year than what he got from Denver?

Are you saying the dogsh.it offer was the 3 year deal or the more recent 2/10 plus incentives.

Regardless I guess Welker is worth either dogsh.t or less than dogsh.t depending on which offer you are talking about. He ended up with the most dogsh.tty offer I have seen him presented.

 

[Tunescribe]

You're not going to join in on the standing ovation? I wouldn't cheer for him during the game. But, Wes deserves some cheers during intros after the boos rain down on peyton.

I gave Wes many standing ovations during the last six seasons. I trust he heard them. I even bought his jersey for my fiancee, who says she needs a different jersey now that Welker's a Bronco.

 

[flasox27]

Diddnt the pats offer him significantly more last year than what he got from Denver?

Are you saying the dogsh.i offer was the 3 year deal or the more recent 2/10 plus incentives.

Regardless I guess Welker is worth either dogsh.t or less than dogsh.t depending on which offer you are talking about. He ended up with the most dogsh.ty offer I have seen him presented.

The ironic part is that as Kraft has stated WW's contract is in all likelihood for one year and $6 million where he would have had atleast $8 Million guaranteed with the Pats . He has an $8 million cap hit next and the rookie contracts for Thomas and Decker are up. Maybe he can ask Dumervil about how the Bronco's deal with players with high caps.
Perhaps for his and Ivan's saqke maybe the market for 34 year old slot receivers will be better then.

 

[VJCPatriot]

IF Amendola can stay healthy he has the potential to be a really good weapon for us. Talk back to me in 5 years, and if he was healthy the whole time, I'll agree with the OP's title.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

You're not going to join in on the standing ovation? I wouldn't cheer for him during the game. But, Wes deserves some cheers during intros after the boos rain down on peyton.

I can understand the people who do, but I have never and will never cheer an opposing player at anytime before, during, or after the game. Unless he commits a turnover, misses a kick, or does some other Patriots-helping thing during the game.

 

[Sciz]

The facts support my argument 100%, no team has ever followed up a franchise tag with a multi year deal that barely eclipsed the one year tag, and no one can find an instance where it has happened before. The Patriots used the tag to block Welker from going into a good WR market and then offered him dogsh.t. It is ultimately the fault of the NFLPA for not putting a stipulation into the new deal requiring teams to make good faith offers when tagging a player so the Patriots got away with it, but anyone who actually believes they wanted him to "be a Patriot for life" is so deluded that any discussion is useless. The Patriots got their man, it was Amendola, they had zero interest in retaining Welker.

How in the world does $16M over two years "barely eclipse" $9.5M over one? I know I can't expect everybody else in the world to be a math major, but this seems pretty basic.

And yes, the Patriots are at fault for ignoring your imaginary rule.

 

[Joker]

I never realized Amedolara was a wide receiver...he always claimed he was a tight end on the 98.5 the Sports Hub...


wait...what?...oh...Amendola...ugh...long day...sorry...carry on

 

[patsfanincleveland]

What revelation are we expecting to experience in discussing Welker again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again....

Move on! Looking forward to seeing what Amendola can do.

Yeah

That about sums it up.

and like rooting for Danny.

 

[Sciz]

IF Amendola can stay healthy he has the potential to be a really good weapon for us. Talk back to me in 5 years, and if he was healthy the whole time, I'll agree with the OP's title.

I'd be perfectly okay with him missing half of every regular season over the next five years as long as he's contributing to a victory on Super Bowl Sunday at the end of a few of them.

 

[shmessy]

This thread is like the Tyson-Spinks fight - - - and Ivan is Spinks.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

This thread is like the Tyson-Spinks fight - - - and Ivan is Spinks.

Now that's funny

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

IF Amendola can stay healthy he has the potential to be a really good weapon for us. Talk back to me in 5 years, and if he was healthy the whole time, I'll agree with the OP's title.

That's a long way to go for any player, to not have some kind of injury. But, I guess DA is just going to be under the "Injury" microscope. :noidea:

 

[Huckleberry1]

How in the world does $16M over two years "barely eclipse" $9.5M over one? I know I can't expect everybody else in the world to be a math major, but this seems pretty basic.

And yes, the Patriots are at fault for ignoring your imaginary rule.

Name one player ever franchised who received a deal that was worth 150% of the tag for 2 years? You guys can pretend the Patriots wanted Welker "to be a Patriot for life," and Kraft's claims they "loved him" but the truth is that they refused to match an offer that you also claim was worth less than the one he signed. Welker's production puts him in an elite category yet they wouldn't give him what they gave Ochocinco,that alone demonstrates just how little respect they had for him.