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Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by reamer, Feb 5, 2018.

  1. reamer

    reamer Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Leighton Vander Esch quietly put up a monster season. I've never thought his tape was quite as impressive as his volume stats, but they're hard to argue against:

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    mihap Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    reamer Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Thoughts on Armani Watts? Seems to be flying under the radar right now.
     
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    mihap Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Finishing him up as we speak. Will post soon.

    Really like him. VG Press. Doesn't get enough credit for off/zone play. Physical. Really good c.o.d. Can play outside/slot. +speed & burst.

    Has to player lower coming out of stance but theres so much to like.
     
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    KontradictioN Josh Gordon's locker is next to Brady's. PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Small and questionable that he can take a pounding at the NFL level. What he CAN do is cover, though, and he would be afforded the ability to sit behind Harmon and McCourty, put on muscle, and learn. I think a 2nd would be too rich for him, though, and he may be gone by the third.
     
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  7. reamer

    reamer Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    How do you feel about the off field concerns? They're pretty significant from the rumblings that I've heard. On field, he seems like a perfect fit, though.
     
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    reamer Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Hey, sorry, I was out of line. I messaged you and edited my posts. Apologies.
     
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    Snooky97 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    Really like him. Seems to make a lot of plays when he's around the ball, he hits hard. I would like to see him here to eventually take over the Chung role in our team. Not sure what he's like at covering TE's though... But as a impact player controlling the centre of the field.. yes
     
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    Snooky97 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    What's everyones opinion on Kirk? I'm a big fan of him and would love to see him here..
     
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    reamer Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    I don't see him taking snaps over Cooks and Edelman. We have a speed backup in Dorsett already. Mitchell will be back. Hogan is solid -- while there is a need for developing a pipeline of young players, this receiving corp is a far cry from Kenbrell Tompkins and Kamar Aiken. Kirk is predicted to go somewhere between 20 and 40. That's too rich for me, given our defensive needs, even though I think that he'll be very good, and potentially elite.
     
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    Snooky97 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    NO REAMER YOUR MEANT TO SAY HE WILL BE THERE FOR US;)

    Sadly i agree.. would just love to see him here personally think he could do very very good things!
     
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    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Honestly haven't heard much bad besides the N.C. incident. Which it seems he might have been a little more at fault than Stewart? W/e the case between the two that's all I'e ever heard.
    Coaches have spoken highly about the doing small **** like talking the media & saying the right things, just being available & accountable.

    Might grade out the best of the lot bc he'll tear up the combine too
     
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    Reminds me of Darren Sproles, but with even more speed. Looks like a sub 4.4 guy, not afraid of contact either. Have to consider the competition though, may be a good guy to sign after the draft.
     
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    Barring any bizzare drops by others down the draft board, and if Rashaan Evans is already gone by 43 and VanderEsch isn't, then I would run to the podium to turn in his name.

    Edit: my pick at 31? Sam Hubbard, for now.
     
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    I like this post. Nwosu is interesting - BB does like players that disrupt the play rather than being worried about their numbers.
     
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    captain stone Pro Bowl Player

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    Perhaps he does, but comparing Nwuosu to Ninkovich is comparing apples to oranges. Nwosu seems a strictly off-the-line as opposed to an on-the-line defender like Ninko, but not a 3-4 OLB either. His body has the look of a 4-3 OLB, because I doubt that he's stout/willing/instinctive enough to be an ILB in either 3-4 or 4-3 systems. He's also an inexperienced and unfinished product, so I would therefore not consider him until #63 at the earliest, no matter how well he tests at the combine.
     
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    reamer Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Fair points. He doesn't line up with his hand in the ground as much as Nink did, and he's not as burly of a player. They have similar playing styles, though, and Nwosu does spend his time almost exclusively on the end of the line, albeit in a two-point stance. They're both tough, heady players who find ways to affect the play. Nwosu's teammates and coaches call him the heart and soul of the defense, and say he's the smartest guy on the field. His background is at safety, so he's comfortable in space, but he's still developing the technique and strength to set the edge. That said, he shows a lot of grit and "want to" against the run.

    I'm intrigued by him as a replacement for someone like McClellin, whose injury issues may very well end his career. Nwosu appears to be a better athlete, more proficient in space, and probably superior as a run and chase player. I don't know that he would be a DE, but he could certainly spend time both rushing the passer and dropping into coverage. He could be a valuable piece of the puzzle, although right now I have him graded somewhere around the 95th pick. I don't think he'll last that long, though. I could be on board with 63, if we had a specific plan for him.
     
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    It wasn’t me that compared him to Nink. I do think, however, that he can be a 2016/17 Nink or 2017 KVN. And I doubt he’s a first round pick for us. It should also be noted that Harvey Langi will be back next year and he will likely play a similar role I imagine.
     
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