Upset of the century? Plucky, untalented system QB defeats undisputed GOAT

[Soliel]

Nothing to do with brady, the over the cliff bum, or his team sabotaging head coach!

CP won the game period. No more argument or discussion in canton. Give him his gold jacket now and let him do whatever the hell he wants.

Sarcasm disclaimer

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Rodgers is a great QB like Steve Young was.

Brady is a great QB like Joe Montana was.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

And like Young, Rodgers will have a legion of supporters calling him GOAT until one guy surpasses him from a statistical and "best skills" standpoint.

There is always a GOAT (the best, "most accomplished") and then a 1A GOAT who is considered the best, most talented.

The 1A GOAT has a lifespan of about five years, after which he becomes surpassed and buried. He goes from 1A to arguably not even top 10.

The 1A list has gone like this:
Fouts
Marino
Young
Favre
Manning
Rodgers

Mahomes, if he stays healthy and appears to be what he looks like, would knock off Rodgers eventually.

But all the 1A guys - Fouts, Marino, Young, Favre, and Manning - drop several spots every few years in the pantheon of all-time greats.

The QBs who really belong because they were both great and they won a lot do not get get demoted. That's why Starr, Unitas, Elway, Montana, and Brady are historically great QBs. They are part of the league's history, not just some "oh, I remember this guy, he was the greatest but his teammates weren't good" excuse that no one cares about.

 

[Deus Irae]

Patriots fail on an offensive goal line possession, with Gronk, Mason and Michel not playing.

"Brady didn't have a great game. He couldn't put it in the endzone."


Rodgers puts up only 17 points

"What can you expect from Rodgers, with his defense so depleted?"

 

[PatsDeb]

Patriots fail on an offensive goal line possession, with Gronk, Mason and Michel not playing.

"Brady didn't have a great game. He couldn't put it in the endzone."


Rodgers puts up only 17 points

"What can you expect from Rodgers, with his defense so depleted?"

WTF was Josh McDaniels thinking on that GLS? You could see even Brady thought the play calls on 3rd & 4th down were stupid. Take the 3 points man! (and before that run Patterson, your new toy, on 3rd & 4th down). We are lucky that did not come back to bite us in the @$$. That was basically my only complaint about the game.

 

[PatsDeb]

Best sign at the game last night:

What is better than cheddar cheese?







GOAT cheese!

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Thankfully the insanity of Rodgers being the GOAT (I can't even type this without chuckling) will be put to rest until his next last minute win against a bottom feeder.

 

[Wheelman]

I would take Manning in his prime over Rodgers. Manning despite his many failures did produce all time great numbers at times during his career.

In his prime you say? You want him sexually assaulting you like he did that trainer at University?

 

[PatsGirl2011]

In his prime you say? You want him sexually assaulting you like he did that trainer at University?

I'm not referring to his character. BE nice.....

 

[bigballas]

i think there needs to be a legitimate conversation about the NFC north being the worst division in the NFL since 2010-ish. I mean come on Jay Cutlah, Vikings and Lions. One total playoff win...even the Jets have 2 since 2010 (sigh)

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Rodgers's Achilles heel is that he has no comeback mode.

He has only one something like one win in his career after falling behind more than 10 points.

He's absolutely a physically talented QB, but there's no way he's the GOAT.

Rodgers achilles heal is his head coach. No doubt he would have 2-3 rings by now if he had Belichick.

 

[oceansizer]

None of football analytics and experts told Rogers to be in a G.O.A.T conversation a player should be more than once in SB. Therefore he still thinks regular season stats are enough.

 

[upstater1]

When people say someone has got all the physical tools over another QB, they are talking about athleticism and arm strength. But there's so much more to the position of QB. Like a quick release. Like accuracy. Like reading defenses and making quick decisions. Like moving around the pocket and avoiding the rush. Like having the guts to keep your eyes downfield when mayhem is going on all around you. Like making short throws that put your slot guys and backs in maximal position to gain yards. Like refusing to lose and being a leader.

When I look at those criteria, I actually put Dan Marino at #3, because he only failed at the last criteria, and it was a big one. He was the Philip Rivers of his day, getting angry and constantly chewing out teammates. But Marino could do everything else incredibly well. I think he was a better thrower than Rodgers too.

1. Brady (all the criteria except running outside the pocket).
2. Montana (all the criteria except a strong arm)
3. Marino (a hothead)
4. Manning (sometimes gutless)
5. Brees (all the criteria except a strong arm, like Montana without the wins)
6. Young (great accuracy, very mobile, did not command the pocket, got hurt often)
7. Rodgers (he can do everything, but even at the age of 34, legacy is skimpy)

Those are my 7. After that, you can bring up Staubach, Bradshaw, etc., but I think they are just behind the top 7. Bradshaw had an Aikman like career, Staubach was steady and a winner, but not spectacular. As for Elway, it took him until the age of 37 to look like one of the best, and I'm not going to credit him for 2 fantastic seasons only, because before that Elway was one of the most inaccurate QBs in the league. He used to frequently drive the ball into the ground on regular flareouts. He may be in my top 10, but just barely

Notice that I did not highlight victories as one of the key criteria. If I had, Marino would not be #3.

 

[bigballas]

Rodgers achilles heal is his head coach. No doubt he would have 2-3 rings by now if he had Belichick.

lot of discussion that Rodgers wouldn't be where he is if it weren't for McCarthy. you know the coach that developed him...

 

[sb1]

Rodgers achilles heal is his head coach. No doubt he would have 2-3 rings by now if he had Belichick.

I think McCarthy isn't as bad as Packers fans think he is. I think he was the guy that corrected some big mechanical flaws with Rodger's game when he was drafted.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

lot of discussion that Rodgers wouldn't be where he is if it weren't for McCarthy. you know the coach that developed him...

Then he should be the OC, not the HC

 

[jah]

I think McCarthy isn't as bad as Packers fans think he is. I think he was the guy that corrected some big mechanical flaws with Rodger's game when he was drafted.

Maybe he should be their QB coach then.

 

[1960Pats]

I'm not referring to his character. BE nice.....

It was still funny though.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Honestly, for those of you who think Mike McCarthy is a great head coach just look at what he’s done over the past 8 seasons. He’s got one of the top 5 QBs of all time and he’s taken his team to only 1 super bowl and 2 NFC championships? Really? Packers fans want him gone.

 

[1960Pats]

When people say someone has got all the physical tools over another QB, they are talking about athleticism and arm strength. But there's so much more to the position of QB. Like a quick release. Like accuracy. Like reading defenses and making quick decisions. Like moving around the pocket and avoiding the rush. Like having the guts to keep your eyes downfield when mayhem is going on all around you. Like making short throws that put your slot guys and backs in maximal position to gain yards. Like refusing to lose and being a leader.

When I look at those criteria, I actually put Dan Marino at #3, because he only failed at the last criteria, and it was a big one. He was the Philip Rivers of his day, getting angry and constantly chewing out teammates. But Marino could do everything else incredibly well. I think he was a better thrower than Rodgers too.

1. Brady (all the criteria except running outside the pocket).
2. Montana (all the criteria except a strong arm)
3. Marino (a hothead)
4. Manning (sometimes gutless)
5. Brees (all the criteria except a strong arm, like Montana without the wins)
6. Young (great accuracy, very mobile, did not command the pocket, got hurt often)
7. Rodgers (he can do everything, but even at the age of 34, legacy is skimpy)

Those are my 7. After that, you can bring up Staubach, Bradshaw, etc., but I think they are just behind the top 7. Bradshaw had an Aikman like career, Staubach was steady and a winner, but not spectacular. As for Elway, it took him until the age of 37 to look like one of the best, and I'm not going to credit him for 2 fantastic seasons only, because before that Elway was one of the most inaccurate QBs in the league. He used to frequently drive the ball into the ground on regular flareouts. He may be in my top 10, but just barely

Notice that I did not highlight victories as one of the key criteria. If I had, Marino would not be #3.

Not a bad list but it overlooks one of the key strengths for a QB, coming through in the clutch. It's one of the main reasons why I'd move Rodgers down, in spite of his talent and replace him with someone like Roethlisberger, or even Russell Wilson (in a few years).

I also don't know where to draw the line historically. If I had to pick a QB then Johnny Unitas would rank right up near the top, as would Bart Starr, Ken Stabler and Warren Moon. Hell, if you want to go back far enough Otto Graham could be at the top of the list.

It's tough to make out any list of great QBs.

 

[Nikolai]

I’ve been working on something off and on the last couple years to compare QBs across eras. Even statistically, Brady shines pretty far ahead of his contemporaries.

I haven’t finished the analysis yet but I recall Sammy Baugh neck and neck with Otto Graham statistically, though Graham had the winning legacy of course.

Just because it’s the hot topic now, Rodgers comes out as a huge beneficiary of the new rules.