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Update: Prince Aaron demands Packers fire GM

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and then AR will celebrate, as Brady did (and does)
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Rodgers has been clear since January. He wants a commitment from GB (an extension with serious guarantees, and a no trade clause). He does NOT want the team to have the choice to dump him whenever they feel that Love might be able to start.

Very few players can get away with this kind of request. One was Brady. A second is Rodgers. He wanted a long-term contract before the 2020 season. The GM said no, AND THEN he drafted a quarterback in the first round. So, what did Rodgers do. He has the best season of his career. And THEN, after having shown that he can still play at a high level, and getting no contract, he said that he wasn't coming back.
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Of all fan bases, I would think that we would at least understand why Rodgers has taken the position that he has.
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Finally, the fans own the packers. The GM doesn't work for some billionaire owner. The GM will go. The only question is whether it is before or after Rodgers is on another team. This GM could have had the 3rd pick and more.
The two situations could not be more different.

Brady outplayed Jimmy and Bills window which led to Jimmy being traded. Brady then finished out his contract and only asked the Pats not to franchise him so he could be a FA for the first time in 20 years. When he got the offer from the Bucs he went to Krafts house to tell him and Bill he was not coming back.

Rodgers signed a 6 year contract three years ago. That was the time to ask for the no trade clause. He then tanked a season because he wanted Mccarthy fired and then when LaFleur was hired he criticized his system saying he needed more autonomy at the line of scrimmage.

Seems only he would be surprised that GB drafted his replacement the following off-season and now he wants more money because his ego got hurt after being the highest paid Qb at the time he signed both of his extensions.

He has no leverage unlike Brady because he has 3 years left. His only options are to sit or retire. That's all on him not the Packers.

Comparing this to Brady is apples and oranges.
 
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GB will deal a disgruntled Rodgers because he is a distraction that no team needs.
 
Favre had his problems and his own massive ego, but he was a well liked teammate and had a lot of allies, at least. Rodgers spars with everyone. He’s the problem.

The Steelers also have a habit of turning every superstar into a total entitled **** bag. Maybe it’s the cult hero worship in these smaller cities with rich histories.

Favre wasn’t that liked by his teammates at the end. He acted above them having his own private locker room and holding the team hostage every offseason while he sat at home in Mississippi threatening to retire and making the Packers wait in limbo forcing the Packer brass to have to fly down to Kiln and beg him to come back for one more season. At the time, there was a lot of talk about his teammates wanting Favre gone and moving on to Rodgers.

Favre might have had more of that southern good ole boy persona that might have charmed some, but he really alienated a lot of people in his last few years in Green Bay.
 
Favre wasn’t that liked by his teammates at the end. He acted above them having his own private locker room and holding the team hostage every offseason while he sat at home in Mississippi threatening to retire and making the Packers wait in limbo forcing the Packer brass to have to fly down to Kiln and beg him to come back for one more season. At the time, there was a lot of talk about his teammates wanting Favre gone and moving on to Rodgers.

Favre might have had more of that southern good ole boy persona that might have charmed some, but he really alienated a lot of people in his last few years in Green Bay.
Another way to look at it is via the memory of Favre Green Bay executives should know damn well that MVP level quarterbacks can be prima donnas, in fact usually are, and done what they could do to keep him happy like letting him know they were going to use a #1 to sign a QB in advance, take some skill position players just to keep him happy, etc. It really seems they did things they knew would trigger him, and amazingly didn't have a plan to deal with the aftermath of triggering him.

It seems odd to me that this board is filled with threads saying we should have done everything we could do to keep TB12 (big ass juicy contract, no 'Johnny Foxborough' hard coaching, let him have his personal trainer everywhere, get him more weaponz, ignore AB's taunting his "victim", instead of cutthing him, etc) yet people come down hard on AR.

In hindsight it seems GB made a mistake giving AR the long term juicy contract rather than doing what we did, which was give TB12 the contract with the voidable years once it became clear the team and the player were no longer on the same page. Now the two are in perpetual deadlock with neither side likely to give an inch.

It makes me wonder if we don't see AR do what Hardin did in the NBA, just start sulking and sucking and go through the motions till his team realizes they have no choice but to trade him.
 
Favre wasn’t that liked by his teammates at the end. He acted above them having his own private locker room and holding the team hostage every offseason while he sat at home in Mississippi threatening to retire and making the Packers wait in limbo forcing the Packer brass to have to fly down to Kiln and beg him to come back for one more season. At the time, there was a lot of talk about his teammates wanting Favre gone and moving on to Rodgers.
There's a reason I call it the Favre Annual Retirement Tango.
 
If GB has our ownership, they would have worked this out, either with AR staying or with him leaving.

If NE had GB's management, then at some point Brady would have been leaking to the press that he didn't want to return.
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But, I get it. This is a patriots board, and folks are required to hate Rodgers.
 
If GB has our ownership, they would have worked this out, either with AR staying or with him leaving.

If NE had GB's management, then at some point Brady would have been leaking to the press that he didn't want to return.
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But, I get it. This is a patriots board, and folks are required to hate Rodgers.
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If GB has our ownership, they would have worked this out, either with AR staying or with him leaving.

If NE had GB's management, then at some point Brady would have been leaking to the press that he didn't want to return.
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But, I get it. This is a patriots board, and folks are required to hate Rodgers.

Dude, what?
 
According to Ryan Leaf, Green Bay tried to get Aaron to show his hand by saying they were going to trade him last week. After GB didn’t get the response they expected from Aaron as he welcomed the trade, they reneged and said “we are not going to trade you”. In fact, Aaron expected a trade to happen with San Francisco which I have no idea how that could get done since they have no trade capital.
 
Am I living in a ****ing bizarro world, or is this just social media normalcy now?
Don’t know where he got the info, but he has been filling in as a guest host on the Rich Eisen show.

 
I don’t hate Rodgers, though he is an odd duck. But I am tired of hearing about QB rating, MVPs etc. The point of the game is to win. Many games in the NFL are winnable in the 4th quarter. Your rating can be sky high, but can you complete the big 3rd or 4th down play against a good team with the game on the line? Can you get a TD instead of a FG? Winners make the plays, wannabes don’t. It is not like GB has been beating down the doors to the SB. Also lost some big games at home in the playoffs (with the biggest home field advantage in the game). The game vs TB could have been won, Brady played like crap in the 2nd half. But so did Rodgers.
 
I don’t hate Rodgers, though he is an odd duck. But I am tired of hearing about QB rating, MVPs etc. The point of the game is to win. Many games in the NFL are winnable in the 4th quarter. Your rating can be sky high, but can you complete the big 3rd or 4th down play against a good team with the game on the line? Can you get a TD instead of a FG? Winners make the plays, wannabes don’t. It is not like GB has been beating down the doors to the SB. Also lost some big games at home in the playoffs (with the biggest home field advantage in the game). The game vs TB could have been won, Brady played like crap in the 2nd half. But so did Rodgers.
In a sense, this is about GB fans, not pats fans. Does the GM and management owe AR anything, or should he be treated as just a player. The GM has clearly answered this question last year and this. Rodgers is nothing special. He didn't even deserve to know that the team was drafting his replacement in the first round. I get it. The NFL is a business. The GM wasn't willing to have Rodgers end his career there. The GM wanted full control, and wanted to make sure that was clear to everyone.

OK, the GM was very, very clear. And many here agree with him. A player has no rights except to play or withhold service; that's it. I suspect that most GB fans would prefer that Rodgers be given an extension, with the understanding that this could cause significant dead cap money when leaves.

The bottom line for me is that a worker has rights. Under the CBA, Rodgers has only two choices. he is threatening to exercise the right to withhold his services if an acceptable contract isn't agreed to.

Now, the GM will exercise his rights under the CBA. It may take him months to understand that Rodgers is serious. In the meantime, Rodgers won't be reporting for anything, and yes, he can be fined.
 
Am I living in a ****ing bizarro world, or is this just social media normalcy now?
Those who can, do, those who can't, tweet?

The two situations could not be more different.

Brady outplayed Jimmy and Bills window which led to Jimmy being traded. Brady then finished out his contract and only asked the Pats not to franchise him so he could be a FA for the first time in 20 years. When he got the offer from the Bucs he went to Krafts house to tell him and Bill he was not coming back.

Rodgers signed a 6 year contract three years ago. That was the time to ask for the no trade clause. He then tanked a season because he wanted Mccarthy fired and then when LaFleur was hired he criticized his system saying he needed more autonomy at the line of scrimmage.

Seems only he would be surprised that GB drafted his replacement the following off-season and now he wants more money because his ego got hurt after being the highest paid Qb at the time he signed both of his extensions.

He has no leverage unlike Brady because he has 3 years left. His only options are to sit or retire. That's all on him not the Packers.

Comparing this to Brady is apples and oranges.
The bolded part might not be visible, people might have to scroll down. This is where all the stories actually matter. For whatever reason, the similarity is right there on the face of it: a QB perceives his value to be different from what the team perceives. This is normal, but usually a deal can be made, the interests of the parties align, and we don't have a story to blab about.

In both the cases mentioned, the QB's interests were no longer aligned with management, and, we imagine, in both cases it went past the point where it could be salvaged.

The bolded sentence is the part that matters, because it bears on the mechanics of the situation going forward. Heh, "bears on," after the Favre story you have to wonder whether that becomes a pun. someone should have told him double-check yourself before you double wreck yourself. Hey-o.

To make another Brady comp, we let Brady go after the 2019 season (2020 SB)... and as recently as he had won us one, odds were at that point that you only had "on years" and "off years" to choose from (a pattern that proved out again in TB... although I know what other pieces came into it.)

What equivalent "OMG, you let WHO go?" response can there be w/Rodgers? "OMG you let a guy who had really good stats until last year go "? "OMG you let a guy go who won MVPs?" Those are individual accolades you use to protect your fragile hopes in barrooms and bulletin boards, not wins.

I understand he feels he's an institution and deserves some kind of hand-holding on the way out. He needs to understand what Tom Brady understood, if you want to be a survivor, it's outthink, outplay, outlast, not outcry.

TFB did not throw a hissy fit. He tried to improve his game and prove everybody wrong, yet again. His interests and the teams' finally diverged in a way that broke and couldn't be fixed. One side would be "right" about it, one would be "wrong." That's the narrative that it appears he saw. He wanted to win, just like in everything. Stubborn old cuss, but good on 'im.

Rodgers is still hoping, by comparison, that everybody gets a trophy. No. The paradigm is, Tom Brady gets everyone's trophy until you prove you can eke one out.

Okay back to the realist part of this thread... I think TFB's version of the world was and is more robust. If Rodgers needs a change, he can suck ass and lose his job, but that won't be the kind of change he wants. If he excels at his job, and feels his body will make it another 3 years plus, he can get his change.

Or, there's the Favrevruh model. It's the one he learned by, the one he saw modeled close up. If he went that way, it would be fascinating.
 
and then AR will celebrate, as Brady did (and does)
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Rodgers has been clear since January. He wants a commitment from GB (an extension with serious guarantees, and a no trade clause). He does NOT want the team to have the choice to dump him whenever they feel that Love might be able to start.

Very few players can get away with this kind of request. One was Brady. A second is Rodgers. He wanted a long-term contract before the 2020 season. The GM said no, AND THEN he drafted a quarterback in the first round. So, what did Rodgers do. He has the best season of his career. And THEN, after having shown that he can still play at a high level, and getting no contract, he said that he wasn't coming back.
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Of all fan bases, I would think that we would at least understand why Rodgers has taken the position that he has.
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Finally, the fans own the packers. The GM doesn't work for some billionaire owner. The GM will go. The only question is whether it is before or after Rodgers is on another team. This GM could have had the 3rd pick and more.
As usual the comparisons to Brady are off base.
Brady celebrated with a SB win. Rodgers probably won't.
Brady was a FA. Rodgers recently signed a huge extension.
Brady made no requests other than a decent contract, which he never received.
Why would we understand whining by a diva QB? We've never had one.
I don't see the Packers fans supporting Rodgers.
 
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