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  1. supafly

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    I'm not buying that angle either. Once again, it's a very controversial topic so we're not all going to agree. That doesn't mean that anyone is necessarily right or wrong. Seeing both angles is likely the best way to view it.

    I think Brady accepting an extension for a lower aav cost should be lauded..and highly.

    However--I also think that it should be noted that for someone to get an unprecedented fully guaranteed deal (that still topples both Flacco and Romo in guaranteed money) as they head into the twilight years of a very violent sport, is a pretty good deal in and of itself.

    Again, I don't think there really is a "right or wrong" opinion on the matter. I actually think the correct thing would be to note BOTH aspects of the pros/cons in his extension. That said, I certainly don't buy into the idea that he was taken advantage of, or that we should annoint him as the next Catholic pope either. I think it was a very fair and reasonable deal for someone heading into the last several years of a great career, especially someone who is already extremely well compensated and has been for quite some time now.

    He did a great thing by accepting a lower 3 yr aav extension, but he also benefitted greatly by having a 57 million dollar guaranteed pact too, and I think we may see more deals like this for someone heading into his last several remaining years.
     
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    I don't want to take the thread off topic too much, but you seem to have the impression that things are more one sided than they really were.

    Brady's investment in the "ultimate goal" still includes his financial security, believe me.

    I don't know if there's ever been a longer-term 100% fully guaranteed contract in all of sports, but I will assume not. For someone who is heading into the uncertainty of the last several years in a very violent sport where his last year will be at the age of 40, having 57 million dollars guaranteed is pretty damn good financial security, especially when you consider that it rivals the guaranteed money received by Drew Brees in the heyday of his career which is supposedly about the same, slightly more at 60 or so.

    Of course there was a trade off and a benefit for both sides, and for the team in general too. That would obviously be the agreement to accept significantly less aav in the last three years of the deal, which Brady should be given credit to. In all actuality, I think it was a very reasonable overall deal for both parties involved, and I think that both parties should be given credit. It's no coincidence that agents and lawyers weren't present during negotiations.
     
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    Roses are Red
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    This contract sucks.
    As the Jets do too.
     
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    Sure Brady didn't care about getting a fair deal. His grandchildren will have enough money for the rest of their lives. His contract was one of the worst ever signed, except for one thing. Both parties got what they wanted.

     
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    You don't see any benefit to becoming the first ever and only player to sign a fully guaranteed deal as you head into your twilight years? One that still pays more guaranteed money than the 2 most recent bar setting deals, and one that basically pays the same guaranteed money as Drew Brees' enormous deal?

    Like I said, I think that both parties benefitted greatly, but I'm not seeing how "Brady was taken advantage of" either. I also don't see how it remotely compares to one of the "worst ever signed?" There was give and take by both parties. Pros and cons. It's still possible for the Patriots to be on the short end of this deal, mind you--although we don't want to go there.

    In a violent sport like the NFL when you're coming into your last handful of yrs that will end when you're FORTY years old...becoming the only player in sports history to have your entire deal guaranteed isn't too shabby. The offset of course was agreeing to a significantly lower aav in the final three years after making top 1-2-3 QB money for the past dozen or so.
     
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    Really? What did Brady tell you he wanted out of that contract?
     
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    Romo drops the soap...INTERCEPTED!!
     
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    Give me a break.

    Brady gave a gift to the patriots. He got almost nothing at all to give the patriots an option for three years of service at less than half the market rate.

    So, Brady got what he wanted. He gave a well-needed gift to Robert Kraft and the team.

     
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    A) I missed something. What is the AAV of the three years of the extension?

    B) How much additional money was he given for the existing contract years.

    C) Divide by 2 and add it to A) and compare to $20M a year or to Flacco or to Romo.

     
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    I agree that Brady gained very little in real numbers. That's why I asked the question.
     
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    I would think that you'd also be able to see the other side of the issue, which allowed him to see 57 million dollars guaranteed.

    I would agree with you that it appears as though the front office got the better of the deal at this point in time, and that we certainly would hope that it stays this way.
     
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    Like I said, these are all points that speak in favor of the team and the front office. What you're also leaving out is the part where Brady did pretty well too.

    I would say that the main point would be that it isn't quite as bad as you're seeing it--but everyone tends to see things differently. I'm certainly not claiming that Brady did better than the organization, only pointing out Brady's benefits too in the sake of being fair.

    Regardless, it hardly matters that much.
     
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    Agreed...........

     
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    cowboys had no choice..they couldn't franchise next year..so he would have been gone..it had to be done....but a big LOL at his contract
     
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    I think what Jump has to say about it to Frank White in the "King of New York" masterpiece just about says it all...

    He's a *****ing glitter-boy; he's looking to get sprayed, laid, played, and slayed, you know what I'm saying?
     
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    It's true that no other team would have ever given Romo that kind of money-- apparently Jones isn't quite the negotiator that Kraft and BB are. But his real mistake was not cutting bait and trading Romo a couple of years ago. Now he's stuck with him and has to pray that giving him a fat long-term contract will make him feel wanted and help bolster his fragile ego. NFC East in wide open IMO so they pretty much had to keep him.
     
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    Does he have the same agent as Sanchez? Look, Romo's a decent QB but it's the same old story every season. It's not always his fault but, these types of things just seem to happen to him. Cowboys should have done 3 year deal max of around 15 at most. If not, move on. Doesn't seem like Romo will ever step it up in the clutch.
     
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    Should of let him walked after next season. Hilariously stupid deal. Besides being an incredible choke artist, he's not even an elite regular season QB, and on top of that he's 33, he's not going to improve.

    Romo has had Witten since day 1, T.O in 07-08, then along came Miles Austin, and then Dez Bryant. He's had stacked weapons his whole career.
     
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    This deal isn't nearly as bad as some of you are proclaiming.

    Romo isn't a top tier QB, but he's still top 10. You have to keep him, he's good enough where you have to and letting him go would be a massive mistake that would set you back years (or if you get really lucky ala Colts).

    That's the market for QBs, you have to pay it.

    I would rather pay Romo than Flacco any day.
     
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    One has shown that he can win in the playoffs. The other has shown that he usually can't even get you to the playoffs.


    Flacco over Romo, every time.
     
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