Today's Outs: Nobody Turns 4 Week Injuries into 8 Like The NE Medical Staff

[shmessy]

Spikes out today is a big blow against the Denver running attack.

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[patsfaninpa]

Spikes out today is a big blow against the Denver running attack.

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Agree. NE's training staff is sabotoging the players by injuring them while in rehab. Probably getting paid by the Jets to do it. Of your 12k+ posts. This might be the dumbest.

 

[Wax Frog]

I love a good Patsfans.com thread

 

[shmessy]

Agree. NE's training staff is sabotoging the players by injuring them while in rehab. Probably getting paid by the Jets to do it. Of your 12k+ posts. This might be the dumbest.

Good morning! And happy you're aboard today!

I'm truly sorry that it touched such a sensitive button for you. If your husband/wife is on the Patriots medical staff, I certainly meant no harm.


The Patriots are amongst the league leaders year-in-year out the past decade in games lost to injury.

In fact they won 2 Supes in 2003 and 2004 while having that distinction, so it isn't a fatal flaw.

Your juvenile jump to "sabotage" is, of course, a hyperbolic over-reaction, but the fact remains that it is a pattern with this franchise.

At some point, hopefully, someone in the organization at least takes a look at the situation.

 

[strngplyr]

You know the players have a part in their own rehab too, right? You also know that you don't know a thing about whats going on with them, right?

 

[shmessy]

You know the players have a part in their own rehab too, right? You also know that you don't know a thing about whats going on with them, right?

Of course.

However, patterns do show up over a decade. This franchise consistently ranks in the top half of the NFL in games lost to injury.

As noted, they have actually won SB's with top-5 games lost to injury seasons in 2003 and 2004 so it is not a fatal flaw that cannot be overcome with coaching and personnel depth.

But when a fairly consistent pattern occurs over a decade-plus, there is concern.

 

[SVN]

Patriots are always very conservative with injuries during the first half of the season every year and the injury lists are longer. As the games get bigger , you will notice the list gets smaller and most borderline players on the report like spikes will play. This is how they manage the injuries for ever . Unless its a must win and a guy is not close to 100 % he wont play.

 

[cavtroop]

Of course.

However, patterns do show up over a decade. This franchise consistently ranks in the top half of the NFL in games lost to injury.

As noted, they have actually won SB's with top-5 games lost to injury seasons in 2003 and 2004 so it is not a fatal flaw that cannot be overcome with coaching and personnel depth.

But when a fairly consistent pattern occurs over a decade-plus, there is concern.

I'm not so sure about this. I think it's a conscious decision they make - they have and have always had decent depth (at most positions), so they don't feel the need to rush players back before they are as close to 100% as possible. This skews the 'players lost to injury' stats.

They still win games with these players out, so why risk a longer-term injury with Chung/Spikes etc, when the reality is we're still very likely to win-out, and even if we didn't we're still a lock for the playoffs, which is the ultimate goal of the regular season. Then you bring these guys back for the playoffs when they are 100% (or close) and become even a better team. It's all about risk-analysis and the risk the Patriots feel by rushing the players back is greater than the risk they'll lose games with these players out.

It's an institutional way of thinking, and I'm OK with it.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Team is very conservative with injury issues, however, I think in this case it's more an example of Chung and Spikes being exceptionally slow healers from a physiological standpoint. Time frames for one person might not be the same for another even if the injury is the same. Pain thresholds also vary wildly.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Worst medical staf eveeeeer.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

The players hate their doctor

 

[Mack Herron]

Team is very conservative with injury issues, however, I think in this case it's more an example of Chung and Spikes being exceptionally slow healers from a physiological standpoint. Time frames for one person might not be the same for another even if the injury is the same. Pain thresholds also vary wildly.

Actually, Chung was doing better and apparently reinjured himself testing testing out his foot and was in a boo ton Mon. Bedard (I think) speculated that they tried to bring him back to soon. I think Fletcher also reinjured his thimb perhaps after returning too soon. I don't think we have enough information about injuries to say they are conservative with injuries.

 

[shmessy]

I think they could have used Spikes and Chung today against one the NFL's best rushing offenses.

 

[Ring 6]

Good morning! And happy you're aboard today!

I'm truly sorry that it touched such a sensitive button for you. If your husband/wife is on the Patriots medical staff, I certainly meant no harm.


The Patriots are amongst the league leaders year-in-year out the past decade in games lost to injury.

In fact they won 2 Supes in 2003 and 2004 while having that distinction, so it isn't a fatal flaw.

Your juvenile jump to "sabotage" is, of course, a hyperbolic over-reaction, but the fact remains that it is a pattern with this franchise.

At some point, hopefully, someone in the organization at least takes a look at the situation.

If only the team employed anyone who went to such great lengths to analyze the way it operates as you do.
I think you should send a letter to BB because I am certain he has never looked into whether they have more injuries than other teams, whether the training staff does a good job getting them rehabbed or even realizes injury is a part of the NFL.
On the other hand, perhaps the trend indicates (like everything else) an organization that is ahead of its peers, recognizes all the things that just dawned on you and realizes that its policy of not rushing players back may just have a positive impact in the big picture.
Or you are right, the training staff is incompetant and gives the wrong treatment so players are out longer than if they werent treated.
Amazing the lengths people on this board will go to invent an argument to rip the best organization in the NFL.

 

[jays52]

Get your best players healthy for the playoffs. They can win out this easy schedule the rest of the way. The important thing is to have a healthy, well-rested returning players who will have an advantage over opponents who haven't had the chance to heal their whole bodies. I think a lot of people neglect how beneficial it is for the entire system to have a month's rest during the season.

 

[DarrylS]

There are 7 inactives... not 8.

Not sure these are medical staff issues, if anything they are training staff issues... but we have a new head guy there, Harold Nash...

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
WR Deion Branch
RB Shane Vereen
LB Brandon Spikes
S Patrick Chung
OT Sebastian Vollmer
OL Nick McDonald
QB Ryan Mallett