Patriots Injury News Thornton injury update

[signbabybrady]

Come on, now. The Patriots have the worst group in their own division. They'd be no higher than 4th if they moved to the AFCW (the Chiefs would be in 5th, as of now). That puts them behind 6 right there, and we haven't even gotten to the AFCN or AFCS yet.

I put Buff and Phins above us but come on now I'm not going with the Jets just because of some rook. Subjective is right.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Come on, now. The Patriots have the worst group in their own division. They'd be no higher than 4th if they moved to the AFCW (the Chiefs would be in 5th, as of now). That puts them behind 6 right there, and we haven't even gotten to the AFCN or AFCS yet.

What does this have to do with your team, the Bucs?

 

[jdlboot14]

I hear a lot of concern about Bourne, suggesting he's fallen behind. But I think it's closer to that they've been hiding him, kind of like a Moss treatment. It seems Agholor has progressed, and needed the reps and time to evolve. And Parker is new and needs to be tested. But I still think that Bourne & Meyers will be the leaders in WR receptions (with Montgomery being right in there).

 

[Deus Irae]

I put Buff and Phins above us but come on now I'm not going with the Jets just because of some rook. Subjective is right.

You realize that, even if I were to say "OK" to putting the Jets below the Patriots, despite your claim to be "erring" on the side of the other teams, that it would still put you at 5 teams ahead before even hitting the AFCN and AFCS, right?

I mean, you're not going to be putting the Patriots above the Bengals or Steelers (top 2 finishing teams in the AFCN last season), so we're already at 7, even without the Jets, and with the rest of the AFCN and the AFCS still to look at.


As I said before, the claim is interesting, given how bad the group was last year. I think it's a bit of an oversell to be rating it as above average at this point, though.

And I think, with regards to what we've looked at here (AFC), if you're going to be doing the rating, you've got to look at clearly better/arguable/clearly worse. In doing that, I don't see how you put the Patriots as clearly better than some of the teams not we've not listed (or the Jets).

 

[upstater1]

It just goes to show Coaches make make mistakes in rating players and dodged a bullet on Jones. Brackens was a beast though. Although Glenn had nagging injuries, he was still regarded as one of the best WR's in the game for a few years.

By the way, McGinest could've gotten that label as "she" as he kept tapping out of games during the Carrol years.

The play would have been, take Glenn, then take Brackens in the 2nd round, lol

 

[TheRainMaker]

The play would have been, take Glenn, then take Brackens in the 2nd round, lol

Brackens would've been an awesome pick and one of the best DE's for some time, but Glenn gave them the firepower to get to the Super Bowl in 1996 and stay a contender in the late 90's. The Carrol years were derailed by injuries (McGinest, Martin, Edwards, Glenn), bad drafts and terrible roster moves (letting Martin, Gash and Willie Clay go).

 

[TheRainMaker]

I hear a lot of concern about Bourne, suggesting he's fallen behind. But I think it's closer to that they've been hiding him, kind of like a Moss treatment. It seems Agholor has progressed, and needed the reps and time to evolve. And Parker is new and needs to be tested. But I still think that Bourne & Meyers will be the leaders in WR receptions (with Montgomery being right in there).

No, many in the media have seen him visibly upset at practice on multiple occasions. Something is up.

 

[upstater1]

Brackens would've been an awesome pick and one of the best DE's for some time, but Glenn gave them the firepower to get to the Super Bowl in 1996 and stay a contender in the late 90's. The Carrol years were derailed by injuries (McGinest, Martin, Edwards, Glenn), bad drafts and terrible roster moves (letting Martin, Gash and Willie Clay go).

When you really look at those Grier drafts they weren't that bad.

Glenn, Milloy, Bruschi, Brandon Mitchell, Tebucky, Robert Edwards, Greg Spires, Damien Woody, Kevin Faulk, even Andy Katzenmoyer before his injury.

If you take out 1997, it's even more impressive to have grabbed 5 Pro Bowlers in 3 years (Glenn, Milloy, Bruschi, Spires, Woody) and that doesn't even include Robert Edwards and Faulk.

But yes, 1997 was horrendous.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Glenn, Milloy, Bruschi, Brandon Mitchell, Tebucky, Robert Edwards, Greg Spires, Damien Woody, Kevin Faulk, even Andy Katzenmoyer before his injury.

If you take out 1997, it's even more impressive to have grabbed 5 Pro Bowlers in 3 years (Glenn, Milloy, Bruschi, Spires, Woody) and that doesn't even include Robert Edwards and Faulk.

Tebucky Jones at CB and Brandon Mitchell were bad. Jones was okay at S when Bill converted him at the unfortunate expense of fan favorite Larry Whigham.

Woody was okay, but he was horrendous snapping the ball out of the shotgun. It was so bad, Bill eventually signed Mike Compton in 2001 to snap it on passing downs.

Spires was underutilized and was a goof on Carroll and Bill.

According to Ted Johnson, he thought Katezmoyer was going to be a bust as he had a hard time understanding his assignments on D. This was weird to hear, as he had a very good rookie season at LB. I think Katz would've been a very good LB if it weren't for his neck injury.

Faulk was not very good in his early years because they were asking him to be a lead back. Fumbled a ton.

I was recently watching old Pats games in the 90's and Edwards looked like Sony Michel - nothing spectacular. However, their run blocking was horrible. He would've had his best year's under Bill with better O-lines.

The problem with the drafts after 1996 was that they didn't have enough impact players and players ready to replace aging veterans.

 

[TommyD4207]

He's a Buccaneer fan...

Ah, the team with all the injured/washed WRs that look great on paper. At least they'll be good in Madden.

 

[mikey m]

Assuming Bourne gets his s*** together, I'll take our wr room over:
NYJ
KC
DEN
HOU
JAX
TEN
CLE
BAL
IND

 

[Bruins29]

Can someone list the years we had a Top 10 WR group

Also what was the Pats WR ranking when Pats won the SBs


Thanks

 

[Deus Irae]

Can someone list the years we had a Top 10 WR group

Also what was the Pats WR ranking when Pats won the SBs


Thanks

Are you really going to go down this road?

 

[slash83]

Assuming Bourne gets his s*** together, I'll take our wr room over:
NYJ
KC
DEN
HOU
JAX
TEN
CLE
ATL
BAL
IND

And Chicago

 

[Bruins29]

Are you really going to go down this road?

I am legitimately asking. Obviously 2007 we were tops. I don’t think the 2014 or 2016 WR corps were elite 2018 squad wasn’t some game changing lineup

 

[signbabybrady]

You realize that, even if I were to say "OK" to putting the Jets below the Patriots, despite your claim to be "erring" on the side of the other teams, that it would still put you at 5 teams ahead before even hitting the AFCN and AFCS, right?

I mean, you're not going to be putting the Patriots above the Bengals or Steelers (top 2 finishing teams in the AFCN last season), so we're already at 7, even without the Jets, and with the rest of the AFCN and the AFCS still to look at.


As I said before, the claim is interesting, given how bad the group was last year. I think it's a bit of an oversell to be rating it as above average at this point, though.

And I think, with regards to what we've looked at here (AFC), if you're going to be doing the rating, you've got to look at clearly better/arguable/clearly worse. In doing that, I don't see how you put the Patriots as clearly better than some of the teams not we've not listed (or the Jets).

Go do it yourself you have us at 7 with only the middle to weaker groups left and your one of the most pessimistic people on here so I think you can easily see where I got where I did. And I said there were a bunch clearly ahead of us and few that were debatable putting us right at average to above average.

 

[Jim Beankie]

When I hurt my shoulder my doctor said that you could hurt it by simply losing your balance and hitting a wall as you walk.

In my dorm in college, there was a long hallway down to the bathroom, and I'd sprint down it and crash shoulder first into the solid door next to it on a consistent basis (as a visual, if one watches the Greatest American Hero theme song - one of my fave shows as a kid - when he crashes into a wall, that's what it looked like). Not sure how I didn't get injured, but it explains why I have a whole slew of screws loose.

I'm glad I wasn't big enough to play football. That would have been disastrous for a lot of people - especially me.

 

[mikey m]

And Chicago

Agree but was responding to the AFC centered discussion.

 

[Deus Irae]

I am legitimately asking. Obviously 2007 we were tops. I don’t think the 2014 or 2016 WR corps were elite 2018 squad wasn’t some game changing lineup

Since the changes made after 2004, it's clear that the top level WR has taken on a much more important role, and that's been increasingly the way to win (yes, you need more, and no you don't win with 3 players in a vaccuum in the NFL, but the overall trend is obvious). And, when there's not the WR, you're going to find a TE. And, of course, there's the QB. Go backwards from last year, and the importance, while not 100%, is obvious. Teams can still get hot even if those positions aren't at the top, and defense is still important, but the pattern is there to see:


2021: Rams - Stafford/Kupp/Beckham/Woods
2020: Bucs - /BradyEvans/Godwin/Brown
2019: Chiefs - Mahomes/Hill/Kelce
2018: Patriots - Brady/Edelman/Gronk
2017: Eagles - Exception (But Ertz, and Wentz for much of the season)
2016: Patriots - Brady/Edelman/Bennett
2015: Broncos - Peyton's corpse/Thomas/Sanders
2014: Patriots - Brady/Edelman/Gronk
2013: Seahawks - Exception (but Wilson, and Harvin when healthy)
etc...

 

[JayNM]

I am for one glad I block out any emotion regarding Thornton

as my ex-gf taught me, can't have your feelings destroyed, if you don't have any