The punt subsitution delay of game sequence

[Chevrolet]

THe team about to punt the ball needs to factor how much time is left on the play clock before they pull the 11 man switcheroo. If they wait until too little time is left on the play clock they risk a delay of game penalty, because the defense will not have adequate time to change theor personnel.
In this case the Pats made the switch with too little time left for defense to change personnel before play clock hit zero

 

[Chevrolet]

I think punting was the right decision, as could not afford to give Chiefs the ball with such good field position at that point in the game.

 

[Gumby]

I meant the delay.
It’s unreasonable to expect a 12 men penalty when you run 11 guys on and they do the same by do it slower
Clearly the ref will not allow a snap until the guys trying to get off the field do.

The guy getting off the field did, unfortunately he was nbr 13, that still left 12 on the middle of field.

 

[Dr Pain]

just watched it, Patriots started switch at 16 seconds, the ref stood there from 11 seconds down to 1 but was not out of the way till it was 0 seconds.

 

[Ring 6]

just watched it, Patriots started switch at 16 seconds, the ref stood there from 11 seconds down to 1 but was not out of the way till it was 0 seconds.

Yeah that’s too late.

 

[Chevrolet]

just watched it, Patriots started switch at 16 seconds, the ref stood there from 11 seconds down to 1 but was not out of the way till it was 0 seconds.

Referee possibly could have reset the playclok to 10 seconds in order to insure the defense had adequate time to get personnel on the field. However he may have believed it was the Pats fault for pulling the switch with too little time remaining on the playclock

 

[BTTA]

Yeah that’s too late.

So if that's acceptable behavior by the ref (no one challenged it last night), then why don't defenses just casually go about getting defenders on the field to greatly reduce the QB's options re: reading the defense, shifting players, etc?

Seems like this is just about rewarding intentional delay, or coaching incompetence.

 

[BTTA]

If that were the case you could get the penalty every time because you decide to switch. They can’t be as fast responding as you are doing.
That would be a terrible rule.

Perhaps not as fast, but it is reasonable to expect a defensive coach to have a substitution group ready to go two or three seconds after the opposing team has put its new players on the field. They should't be given the luxury of figuring out which players should be on the field, one at a time.

The rules should encourage preparation and coaching excellence.

 

[Ring 6]

So if that's acceptable behavior by the ref (no one challenged it last night), then why don't defenses just casually go about getting defenders on the field to greatly reduce the QB's options re: reading the defense, shifting players, etc?

Seems like this is just about rewarding intentional delay, or coaching incompetence.

They didn’t casually go about it, and it was an entire unit substitution. Surely you understand the difference.

 

[Ring 6]

Perhaps not as fast, but it is reasonable to expect a defensive coach to have a substitution group ready to go two or three seconds after the opposing team has put its new players on the field. They should't be given the luxury of figuring out which players should be on the field, one at a time.

The rules should encourage preparation and coaching excellence.

That’s not a description of what happened at all.
The patriots changed the entire unit. The chiefs responded by changing theirs. They changed in a very reasonable amount of time.

 

[Ring 6]

Referee possibly could have reset the playclok to 10 seconds in order to insure the defense had adequate time to get personnel on the field. However he may have believed it was the Pats fault for pulling the switch with too little time remaining on the playclock

No, he can’t do that. He can’t extend the play clock because the patriots switched too late.

 

[BTTA]

They didn’t casually go about it, and it was an entire unit substitution. Surely you understand the difference.

Surely you can recognize that I switched from talking about a specific incident to talking about the rules in general, on principle. This has nothing to do with the Chiefs. It is about strategy and what's the best thing to encourage through the rules.

 

[BTTA]

That’s not a description of what happened at all.
The patriots changed the entire unit. The chiefs responded by changing theirs. They changed in a very reasonable amount of time.

Surely you can recognize that I switched from talking about a specific incident to talking about the rules in general, on principle. This has nothing to do with the Chiefs. It is about strategy and what's the best thing to encourage through the rules.

 

[Ring 6]

Surely you can recognize that I switched from talking about a specific incident to talking about the rules in general, on principle. This has nothing to do with the Chiefs. It is about strategy and what's the best thing to encourage through the rules.

No it wasn’t clear you changed the topic.
So what are you now saying? You agree with how this was handled but think it should be handled differently under different circumstances? If so what circumstances?

 

[Patriot Missile]

Would of liked to hear Belichick’s interpretation of that play. Surprised none of the media asked about it.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Actually, looking back, it was a smart play by the Patriots. Based on their location on the field it was without effect to get the 5 yard delay penalty (maybe a benefit). OTOH if the Refs allowed the snap before the play clock expired and it resulted in a penalty for 12 men? Maybe it changes the loss of possession.

The opponent absolutely has to be given an adequate amount of time to change personnel. How much time that is? That's a good question. IMHO it can't be an open amount. On fourth down in that situation it's incumbent on the opposition to be ready to put their punt team on the field quickly.

 

[Wheelman]

Tony Romo was right. Chiefs had 12 men on the field. The guy running off was the 13th guy.

Damn! would have been a 1st down for us!

Another thing I don't get, if the snap is imminent, and it was. Shouldn't a ref call 12 men on the field penalty?

 

[SammyBlueCat]

The may be a little bit OT but there was another delay long enough to change your car's oil when there was approximately 16 seconds left and the Chiefs were driving and one of our Db's was flagged for PI.

Like I said in another thread, although the officiating seemed erratic, the game is now in the books.

 

[ViperGTS]

Most of the rules like this are out into effect so other teams do not have to prepare for things such as this.

The owners, via Goodell to the Comp Committee, say “our coaches can't keep up with BB. So, can you please, please dumb down the rules so we have a chance to compete?” Happens routinely.

That’s the point. They keep dumbing down the rules.

 

[Wheelman]

The may be a little bit OT but there was another delay long enough to change your car's oil when there was approximately 16 seconds left and the Chiefs were driving and one of our Db's was flagged for PI.

Like I said in another thread, although the officiating seemed erratic, the game is now in the books.

Yeah Clete had to take the time to remind the audience that the clock is correct at 16 seconds...