The Pats run is over.......

[Canada's #1 Pats Fan]

Thanks for the positive outlook. Unfortunately your 8 posts mean about as much as my less than 100 posts.

 

[jcdavey]

Who ever said the Pats were cheap. Both Brady and Seymour are one of the highest paid players at their position. In fact, over the course of Seymour's extension, he is the highest paid d-lineman in history. Corey Dillon has a nice contract. So does Colvin and Vabrel. Dan Koppen is one of the highest paid center in the league. Matt Light is paid well. Jarvis Green as a back up got a deal that was at the time more than a lot of starters at his position. In 2004, Ty Law was one of two or three highest paid players in the league that year.

The Pats are far from cheap. They are just not like a lot of other teams that are going to overpay for replacible talent. Yeah, they could have paid Vinatieri, but they got a cheaper replacement who was better than what Vinatieri gave us last year. Seattle paid Branch top 7 WR money to be their #3 WR. The Pats knoew he was a good WR, but clearly not worth the money he got. Neither were Givens (who was already becoming a bust in Tennessee before he got injured), McGinest, Law, Milloy, Woody, Andruzzi, and a whole host of other players that they chose not to keep because their value didn't match up to their contracts or contract demands.

pats and chargers use all of their cap space but teams that don't go out and sign big name free agents are perceived as being cheap, by fans who don't know any better

 

[jcdavey]

The rules committee met because the league is overly reactionary to the latest trend. Roy Williams of Dallas injures T.O. with the horsecollar tackle while Philly is on a Super Bowl run and they change the rules regarding the horsecollar tackle the following offseason although there was only one player in the league that it was a problem. The Pats and Panthers play overly physical in their coverage in the conference championships and the rules committee decide to make the 5 yard chuck rule a point of emphasis. Carson Palmer blows out his knee in the playoffs when Kimo Von Olhoffen hits him below the knee and the league create a rule that you can't hit a QB below the knee.

The fact that it has been five years since the tuck rule game and the league hasn't changed a single letter of the tuck rule means that the rule was applied correctly in that case and has been applied the same way before and after Brady was hit by Woodson. In fact, the Pats were on the other end of that same exact situation earlier that season when Vinny Testeverde had both hand on the ball, but he hadn't tucked the ball to his body when I think Willie McGinest stripped it.

By the way, you are such a good Pats fan and you have eight posts and they are all about how the Pats were lucky and the run is over and it is time to rebuild. If I was cynical, I would think you were a troll posing as a Pats fan. But I actually believe you are just a concerned Pats fan worried about his favorite team.

that's true, the rules committee is reactionary , they listen and they make changes.

look at the merriman thing, they listened to their players and changed the rules about winning post season awards if you test positive for a banned substance.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Go back to the bench Rookie, if you going to talk the troll ,then you goin walk like a troll..

 

[DaBruinz]

No troll.

Sorry that no one on here can voice a dissenting opinion without hearing insults. Fig people on here might be smarter then on the other big Pats board.

Dissenting opinion? No. More like unsubstantiated garbage.

Listen, I know we have a core group, and we always do well in the draft. However, we have simply let too many people get away. And other teams have fig us out, and are beating us using our own style. Dink and dunk. Nothing spectacular.

Umm, actually, we got beat by a no-huddle offense and the fact that our own offense couldn't get a 1st down at the end of the game.

Do you not agree that we got lucky in the Oakland game? Rule or no rule, it was a once in a lifetime call. And in the Indy game we tackled (literally tackled) their receivers/tight-ends to keep them from getting off the line. Not to mention that the games were played at home in terrible conditions.

Obviously you didn't watch the Indy game. The field was frozen. What terrible conditions? Also, the Pats did NOT literally tackle their receivers/tight-ends. In fact, it wasn't until the last 2 series that Phifer was pummelling Pollard and holding him. All 3 interceptions by Law in that game were because of Pressure on Manning.

As for the Oakland game, its not a once in a lifetime call. That call has been made at least 2 dozen times since then.

SD is probably the best team, and frankly Indy dominated us in the AFC Championship game. The score was much closer then the game actually was.

Indy dominated the Pats in the 2nd half only.

As for San Diego, yes, they are so good that the Pats beat them fairly.

 

[DaBruinz]

I wasn't expecting everyone to "pop a blood vessel", but I didn't expect complete delusionment either.....

I keep hearing "AFC title game, first round draft picks, BB and Brady, blah blah blah."

Everyone seems to have their eyes closed. You don't feel that we got lucky in SD? You don't feel that we were dominated in Indy? You don't feel that we got lucky to play (much less win) in two Superbowls? You don't feel that our defense is getting old? You don't feel that we've lost too many valuable players? You don't feel that the other teams feel that we are no longer invincible? You don't feel that Indy has always had the better team, but we just were lucky to play them at home and get the benefit of the refs?

That's all I'm asking.

You are clueless. Totally and utterly. You are the one with your eyes closed.

How did the Pats "get lucky" in SD?
No, the Pats were only donminated in the 2nd half of the game by Indy.
Yes, many of us do feel that the LINEBACKERS are getting old, but not the ENTIRE DEFENSE. Pats have one of the best and youngest D-lines in the league. They have 1 good young CB in Hobbs and, hopefully, they keep Asante so they form a very good tandem.
No, I don't feel the Pats have lost too many "valuable" players.
Who cares what other teams think? No me. And certainly not the Pats players.
Benefit of the Refs against Indy? Another CLEAR point that you don't know what you are talkin about. Indy has gotten more of the calls than the Patriots did. In all of the games. Previously, the Pats were able to overcome it. And NO, previously Indy didn't have the better teams. Their defense was horrendous up until this year when it finally got Bob Sanders back on the field. But, their defense is going to take quite a few hits with a big possibility of losing Freeney.

 

[DaBruinz]

:wha:

I thought I was a Chargers fan????

We have numerous picks, but we are notoriously cheap....

No, the Pats aren't notoriously cheap. They spend to the cap every year. And you claim to be a Pats fan? You know very little about the Patriots.

 

[DaBruinz]

I'm not referring to the rule if it's called correctly. I'm talking about the actual call during the game. Ask anyone other then us, and they will say it was a bad call at a terrible time. You just don't make that call in that game. I don't know how many times you watched the replay, but it was incredibly lucky.

and I can't stand the Raiders.

The RAIDERS were the ones who were incredibly lucky. You seem to have missed Brady getting hit in the head by Woodson. That is a 15 yard penalty and an autmatic 1st down even then.

 

[jman924]

"Hi! I'm a Patriots fan. Today I get to post on the Pats board for the first time. What to write about ...

OH! I know! I'll write about how our team is not good and that it is lucky and gets all the calls etc etc... just like a troll does when it comes to this site. That's sure to get me instant friends who will recognize me as a true Pats fan, and not just some pathetic fan of some other team that the Pats have probably made their B1tch in the past. Then I'll spend the next 9 of my posts in the same thread defending that I'm the most objective poster EVER!!! :bricks: "

w00t!
Vote 5!

 

[Rob0729]

that's true, the rules committee is reactionary , they listen and they make changes.

look at the merriman thing, they listened to their players and changed the rules about winning post season awards if you test positive for a banned substance.

They also overract. The horse collar tackle rule change and the hitting the QB below the knee rules were totally overracting to isolated incidents and not really relevant to the real issues that they should have been discussing. They call it the Roy Williams rule not only because he was the one who inspired the rule change, but because he was the only one who actually was doing what the new rule was trying to stop. Why not just fine the guy to death until he is financially forced to stop rather than hamstring defenders who made what were legal tackles before, but now aren't so they could stop one player in the entire league from injurying players.

 

[DaBruinz]

Come on, those were legit good calls that the refs make 80%+ of the time. Honestly, I thought the Indy game was very fair and good officiating. They took a couple of calls early in the game away from Indy as well that were correctly changed, but could've been upheld.

Thank you for proving yourself to be an imbecile. NO, they were NOT legit GOOD calls by the refs.

The call on Hobbs was total and utter BS. The referee called FACEGUARDING. The head of the referees came out and said that there is NO SUCH RULE. Even if they wanted to call pass interference, they couldn't have because the contact that was made did not keep Wayne from running his route.

The NON-CALL on Hayden was BS. Hayden practically RAPED Caldwell and wasn't called on it. That was a GUARANTEED TD if Hayden hadn't interferred with Caldwell.

 

[jcdavey]

They also overract. The horse collar tackle rule change and the hitting the QB below the knee rules were totally overracting to isolated incidents and not really relevant to the real issues that they should have been discussing. They call it the Roy Williams rule not only because he was the one who inspired the rule change, but because he was the only one who actually was doing what the new rule was trying to stop. Why not just fine the guy to death until he is financially forced to stop rather than hamstring defenders who made what were legal tackles before, but now aren't so they could stop one player in the entire league from injurying players.

ya know , when it comes to protecting the qb i wish they gave the ref more freedom to make a call based on intent, when i see a guy's hand brush a qbs helmet usually because the qb moved his helmet into the path of a defenders hand, then to see the defender get flagged for that, it's crap.

i do believe the below the knees qb rule this year wasn't even called all that much, at least from what i noticed.

some of these calls you see with blows to the head though, just horrible and i'd like to see the ref be given more power to call it only if he thinks there was intent to injure the head.

 

[AzPatsFan]

you made the afc title game and had a 21-3 lead in it and came 4 points from probably more than likely winning your 4th superbowl in 6 years, AND you have 2 picks in the 1st round of the 2007 draft

AND you have a crapton of cap room, i don't see how the run can be classified as over, you've got belichik, you've got brady, i don't see a problem other than fixing what went wrong in the colts game.

Absolutely correct!

"We need to fix what went wrong in the colt's game."

Next year the whole team gets flu shots in training camp...

 

[DaBruinz]

ya know , when it comes to protecting the qb i wish they gave the ref more freedom to make a call based on intent, when i see a guy's hand brush a qbs helmet usually because the qb moved his helmet into the path of a defenders hand, then to see the defender get flagged for that, it's crap.

i do believe the below the knees qb rule this year wasn't even called all that much, at least from what i noticed.

some of these calls you see with blows to the head though, just horrible and i'd like to see the ref be given more power to call it only if he thinks there was intent to injure the head.

Honestly, the problem with the Hitting below the knees call is that the referees don't get it right. They tend to cal any hit that is from Mid-thigh down. That is what happened to Harrison this year. He was flagged for it when it was clear he hit the guy in the thigh. There was a Colts game that I watched where the Colts O-lineman Diem had ahold of the DE's jersey, rolled back-wards and basically flung the guy into Manning. The DE was flagged for hitting below the knees when Diem was the one responsible for the action. It also happened to Wilfork. He was blocked from the side and fell into a QB's legs and was flagged for it. Not is fault that he got double-teamed and knocked off-balance, but he got flagged for it.

 

[Kdo5]

Unfortunately, the end is here. Just like all good teams that had runs, it has to end (some quickly, some die a slow death). Face it, we really don't have a great team. We were totally outmatched in SD, but Marty ball and stupid mistakes kept us in it. We had a monster lead in Indy, and got beat up and down the field in the 2nd half. The ONLY reason we stayed in it was because of Indy's terrible kick coverage. We started every series close to midfield!

I know everyone wants to cry about the officials, but come on..... has any team benefited more from bad officiating more then us? Honestly, we wouldn't have went to two SB's if it weren't for the officials. If we can't get home field, then we're done. That's our real advantage. Indy dominated us in the 2nd half. They've learned how to win ugly like us.

I think we should start rebuilding. This patchwork team is about the 6th best in the AFC if you look at it realistically.

flame away........

"PatsFanForever" :bricks:

 

[jcdavey]

Honestly, the problem with the Hitting below the knees call is that the referees don't get it right. They tend to cal any hit that is from Mid-thigh down. That is what happened to Harrison this year. He was flagged for it when it was clear he hit the guy in the thigh. There was a Colts game that I watched where the Colts O-lineman Diem had ahold of the DE's jersey, rolled back-wards and basically flung the guy into Manning. The DE was flagged for hitting below the knees when Diem was the one responsible for the action. It also happened to Wilfork. He was blocked from the side and fell into a QB's legs and was flagged for it. Not is fault that he got double-teamed and knocked off-balance, but he got flagged for it.

that sounds kinda like the bengals pitt game from the playoffs of the 05 season, the pitt dlineman gets basically thrown towards carson palmer's knee and rolls into it and a new rule is born because of just some freak accidental play.

 

[patsacolachick]

Now please return to Indystar. Your attempt to steal ManningsArmy's very original idea has failed.

LOL that was the first thing I thought of when I read his post!!! There is only one MA, please at least try to find your own troll identity!!!

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

Look, let's be realistic.

There is, in my estimation, only one reason the Colts managed to score 32 in the 2nd half against the Pats.

Although this can't be substantiated, my theory, based on reviews of the game, is that at half time, Tom Moore pulled Tony Dungy aside and said, "We are losing - bad. The only thing to do is have the boys hold the hell out of them. If we get called on it, so what - we lose anyway. What do we have to lose? If we get Peyton enough time, he'll pick apart anything they throw at us.

"Like I say, what do we have to lose?"

A theory as plausible as any....

 

[pats1]

Come on, those were legit good calls that the refs make 80%+ of the time. Honestly, I thought the Indy game was very fair and good officiating. They took a couple of calls early in the game away from Indy as well that were correctly changed, but could've been upheld.

The tuck rule applied in the Oakland game was terrible. You believe it was a good call? Honestly?

You are a PATHETIC TROLL.

Stop even trying to fake being a Patriots fan. It's sad sight to watch.

 

[thesmee1]

hey i call it like i see it, i took some **** on my chargers board for saying the raiders defense looked very good this season , sometimes ya just gotta be unbiased and give credit where it's due ya know?

Unless you have a direct line to Miss Cleo, that original post meant nothing. It's almost like saying ' the chargers lost both the OC and DC, and they have Marty for another year!' We have faith in BB and Pioli, just like Charger fans have faith in AJ Smith. We make the playoffs yearly, and annually have a stockpile of draft picks. Pats fans appreciate what's been given to us. We hold no illusions of greatness, but we also know that when one achieves greatness, others want what you have. I liked what the Pats did this year, and look forward to next year.