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LMAO

Could you run down some more excuses?????

Holy cow, what a baby. You would think that after all the gifts and breaks we've received over our runs that we could stop with the excuses and whining. Really, it just makes you look like a dope.

There weren't excuses. I love it when imbeciles thing looking at the FACTS is equivalent to making excuses.

For ever "gift" and "break" I know for a fact that I can find at least 1 if not 2 that went against the Patriots.

The only one looking like a dope is yourself. Because you are nothing but a clueless moron who has to attack people on here because you're too stupid to actually acknowledge facts.
 
Everyone knows that anyone from the NewEngland area, born there transplanted, whatever, in the last 35 odd years knows that unlike most cities ie: INDY, SD. We stick buy OUR TEAM Threw thick and thin.

Proof that Indy fans don't stick by their team?
 
Proof that Indy fans don't stick by their team?

How many years did it take Indy to Sell out their stadium while Manning and Co were putting up double digit wins?
 
It was said on ESPN today that there's a 0% chance of us retaining Samuel, which I find absurd. That just doesn't make any sense. And lol at Tenn and Jacksonville. The Colts faced the toughest lineup they could. No one really gave them a shot with that run defense - facing LJ, Lewis and the Ravens D, and then Brady and BB.

You say that had a few plays went our way then we get another SB, but had a few plays went SD's way then we don't even make the title game. Or, had a few plays gone the Colts' way and they win by 35.....

Now I know for certain that you're a Colts troll.

SD would have killed your team. Jamal Lewis might need surgery on his ankle and the Ravens D kept your team out of the endzone.

Enjoy it now. It might not last long.
 
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You are so far off on most of your post it wasn't worth trying to break it down point by point.

Please do.

A good argument can change my mind. And I'll admit when I think I'm wrong. Moreover, I like to hear other well thought out points of view on this (thanks Rob0729), sans the name-calling and the "I-said-so's"(thanks MannyBrady).

I feel strongly about the issue of emphasizing offense over the last 3 drafts.

BTW, you now got me hoping we get UFA Jarret Johnson from the Ravens. You see, you can sway my thinking your way.
 
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Ryan, buddy, you're the exception, not the rule.

How many years did it take Indy to Sell out their stadium while Manning and Co were putting up double digit wins?

Sorry Ryan, I have to agree with my piers here on both counts, I should have said the MAJORITY of Colts and SD fans, with you being the exception.

Oh, and Mr. PatsFanForever, Sorry but, yes for every good call we have had there have been countless others at KEY times in the last 2 years of the Playoffs for us, WE have overcome them in the past, but when your on top everyone guns for you including the NFL because they want diversity in this league...If the same team every year wins it, then I believe they will lose revenue. IE: Packers '60, Steelers '70's, 49er's '90's, Pat's this decade.
What makes our run more IMPRESSIVE than any other previous Dynasty has been FA, And this is where BB and Pioli have set the mold for all Teams to come, as long as the new Collective bargaining agreement holds until after 2008...only time will tell, and so far I haven't seen any other team step up to the mold yet...

PD.
 
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He wasn't "fine". He was inconsistent before his injury as I posted in another thread. These things happen to all RBs, that's just one of the reasons I don't believe in drafting them in the 1st round.

How was Maroney inconsistent? Because he was like every other rookie running who goes up against tough defenses? Also, look at who was in and who was out for the games. Graham missed 4 games this year. They just happened to be 4 games that Maroney didn't do well in. Do you honestly think that is a coincidence? I don't. Not with how good a blocker Graham is.


Gostowski was a gamble. All rookie kickers are. It paid off. Moreover, I applauded the team for not caving into AV and Meion's demands. However, the 2006 draft will be judged on the success of Laurence and Chad. If these guys fail, this draft will go down as a disaster.

Gostkowski was no more of a gamble than any other pick in the draft. The 2006 draft will be based on how the entire group does, not just 2 players. Also, it seems like a pretty big IF that Maroney is going to fail.

I do like Thomas. I will discuss him later in this post.

As I posted, OC dropped because of his injury history. I agree that if healthy, OC will be a steal.

Andrews is a good gunner, but it's hardly something to hang your hat on.

The Pats special team coverages were greatly improved this year. Prior to Miller getting hurt, the Pats were allowed like 1.2 yards per punt return. After Miller got hurt and they had Walters in there, it was a different story.

Andrews is one of the reasons the special teams play was so greatly improved. If he plays for 7 years and is nothing more than a special teams ACE, then that is a good thing and a good pick.

I liked the 2005 draft under the circumstances: poor talent pool and picking last in every round. However, the Pats wound up with only a Guard in the 1st round. Mankins is a work in progress, but you can always get Guards. That's been an axiom since the Pats let Woody and Andruzzi walk.

The jury is still out on Kaczur, who was terrible in the SD game and the Pats were unable to run to his side.

Mankins is more than a work in progress. The guy is near ALL-PRO talent. Kaczur came in and filled in admirably in 2005, first working into the starting rotation at RT and then taking over LT when both Ashworth and Light were hurt. Then he held off Ashworth until Kaczur, himself, injured his shoulder. An injury that took him the better part of the year to recover from.

How was Kaczur terrible? You are only grading one part of the game. Kaczur was able to fend on Shaun Phillips for the entire game. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe that Phillips did much of anything.

Also, don't forget that the Pats got Ellis Hobbs, James Sanders and Matt Cassell in that draft. Sanders looks to be able to handle the strong safety position. Cassell continues to improve and Hobbs looks to be a solid #2 corner.

Actually, the 2006 draft is still subject to review you really can't say it turned out good. IMO, this draft is starting out on the wrong foot. If the '06 draft doesn't pan out (i.e. Maroney and Jackson are busts), that will make 2 poor drafts in the past 3 years - not a good track record.

How is the draft starting out on the wrong foot? Because you are too quick to judge? There is a reason people say it takes 3 years to judge a draft. Its because that's how long it takes for the impact to be truly felt.

As for the 2004 draft, its no worse than the 2001 draft. Or the 2002 draft. The 2004 draft the Pats got a terrific starting NT and an up and coming TE who has tremendous athletic ability. I'll admit that Marquis Hill is a bust now. I did like BB said and waited 3 years and the guy just hasn't produced. Hopefully the Pats will let him go or he will make a statement in camp that will floor everyone. The scary thing is that the guy turns 25 after training camp starts. So he is still really young.

I'm going to be blunt and say Watson sucks. He's an awful blocker, drops way too many passes, doesn't usually get open, and developed a case a fumble-itus. In the second half of the season, I cringed every time a pass was thrown his way. His per game numbers were dropping when Brady developed chemistry with the WRs.

Watson dropped 6 passes and had 3 fumbles on the season. He was the target for 91 passes. That is actually better than Graham was at his worst. Also, Watson's per game numbers were dropping because he was injured and not seeing the field towards the end of the season.

Watson isn't an awful blocker as you put it. He may be awful compared to Graham, but Graham is a superb blocker. Watson is average.

To say he sucks, is a gross over-statement.


Now for David Thomas. Getting him the 3rd round was a steal. He's a bit undersized and needs work on his blocking, but he improved in this area as the season progressed. In the Rose Bowl a year ago, I was impressed with both his ability to hold onto the ball after getting hit (something Watson doesn't do well), and his penchant for getting open. The Jags game showed that he can be a great check off receiver over the middle. Why the team never went to him after that game is beyond me. I will dare say that Thomas is a better player than Watson right now.

How is Thomas undersized? He is 6'3 and 248. Watson is 6'3 and 255. Graham is 6'3 257. WOW. A whopping 7 and 9 lbs difference.

I can't say that Thomas is a better player than Watson otherwise Thomas would have seen the field more than Watson did.



Again I will be blunt. Gusssss sucksssss. Every time he played with the regular defense, he'd limp off the field after making a tackle. Moreover, in the regular defense, Gussss showed that he couldn't cover and had zero ball skills. Against SD in the 41-17 loss, Gussss allowed a TD where he stood starting at ball w/o so much as lifting up his arm. The fact that he couldn't play in the NFL is echoed by his failure to stick with the Texans and Jets. To think we passed up on players like Gibril Wilson and Shaun Phillips to take this guy.

Reid was another guy who can't play safety in the NFL. He almost cost us SB 39 when he allowed a 30-yard TD to Greg Lewis to make it a 24-21 game. He had a chance to redeem himself in TC the following summer, but the Pats knew he couldn't play and let him go. As for his contributions with Indy, there's no way he'll crack the lineup with Sanders, Jackson, and Bethea on the depth chart. He's been nothing but a gunner on STs. We know how good his unit fared in SB 41.

This is just ridiculous. The guy was a ROOKIE, thrust in during the middle of the biggest game of the season. You are ignorant to not give ANY credit to McNabb and Lewis for making a great throw and catch. Reid was one of the last players cut in TC and he's stuck with the Colts.

Yes, we do know how those units fared in SB41. They gave up 1 opening TD and then shut down everything else.

PK Sam is another player that can't stick on a roster. He's now with the Dolphins where he'll probably fail another "numbers crunch".

Why are you complaining about PK Sam? He was a 5th round pick who came out early. He was the youngest player on the Pats team at the time and they hoped that the veteran leadership on the Pats could help mold him into a good player. Yes, they failed. But how many 5th round picks actually stick with teams?

I thought Hill was a great pick at the time, but I accuse the Pats of substituting diligent scouting with their connections to coaches. This mistake might be repeated with Chad Jackson, IMO. The Pats have taken some hits in their scouting department since 2003 and I wonder if it's affecting them.

If Laurence/Chad are busts, it will be 2 bad drafts in 3 years. Not good.
You have two years to wait before you can decide whether they are busts. Chad Jackson was used quite a bit at the end of the season on running plays. This was after he missed ALL of training camp with a hamstring injury that hadn't fully healed from the combine.
Maroney suffered the cracked rib and was very inconsistant after that. The line was inconsistent prior to that when they were also missing Graham.
 
This post certainly wins the "Worst Impersonation of a Patriots Fan by a Troll" award.

It was exactly what I thought when I read it. The lack of invention and wit is the most disappointing aspect of the post.

Edit: Everyone on the first six pages said the same. Quit while you are behind, patsfanforever. Sod it, don't bother. It's going to be slow for a couple of weeks on here. Carry on.
 
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How was Maroney inconsistent? Because he was like every other rookie running who goes up against tough defenses? Also, look at who was in and who was out for the games. Graham missed 4 games this year. They just happened to be 4 games that Maroney didn't do well in. Do you honestly think that is a coincidence? I don't. Not with how good a blocker Graham is.

Graham had some major problems this year and the latter half of last with blocking, but I do agree with you on Maroney.
 
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sans the name-calling and the "I-said-so's"(thanks MannyBrady).

I'm sorry, have we met?

I took offense to one of your posts in which you ripped our rookie running back.

Like most true Pats fans, I'm not keen on people ripping Pats players, especially young guys who performed well.

PS. don't be such a huge pu**y next time, you sensitive candy a**. I'll stop "calling you names" when you stop thinking you're able to judge rookies from your armchair.
 
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Is a true Pats fan someone who thinks everyone on the 53

man roster is a good player and every player they sign

fits into the good category?
 
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Is a true Pats fan someone who thinks everyone on the 53

man roster is a good player and every player they sign

fits into the good category?


No, of course not, and this is a rather obtuse post. This entire thread was begun by a rather irrational and probably intentionally-provocative post, which contributed nothing at all to the board: nothing of insight, nothing of intelligence, nothing of wit. In fact, it had all the marks of a lamer flamer. So be it.

Many posters on this board realize that the choices made by the front office and coaching staff have been mixed, as with all teams, but have also chosen to grant these guys a certain level of trust. Thus, if Chad Jackson fails to produce, people here tend to think not "these idiots are screwing it up, they've lost their touch, they are cheap, and foolish", etc. etc., but rather "they must have seen something in the guy; like all players, he comes with risks, but I only hope that he blossoms as BB and SP must have expected when they drafted him. In the interim, I will enjoy playing the What-If game, and wonder what they did see in him that we have yet to see?"
 
Is a true Pats fan someone who thinks everyone on the 53 man roster is a good player and every player they sign fits into the good category?

I have no problem with someone being a negative, pessimistic fan if they are completely cognizant of it and aware of it. We're in New England, there's going to be that type of fan who always looks at the downside of everything Boston sports related. We're a reactionary group.

But when someone starts dissing a rookie who ran 175 times for 745 yards, 4.3 YPC, 6 TDs, 40 first downs, 22 catches for 194 yds w 1 TD, and 28 kickoff returns for 783 yards, a 28.0 yd average including a long of 77 yards all despite tearing rib cartelige towards the end of the season, that person isn't being "reactionary", they are being stupid.
 
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I just feel the need to respond to Joe6pack. You rag on the trolls and make mention of their teams choking tendencies: Newsflash blowing a 21-3 lead in AFCC game is biggest choke job in championship game history. Why don't you think before you post.
 
I just feel the need to respond to Joe6pack. You rag on the trolls and make mention of their teams choking tendencies: Newsflash blowing a 21-3 lead in AFCC game is biggest choke job in championship game history. Why don't you think before you post.

Dog...your name fits, wear it well. You find the need to rip on a classy contributor to our group here and I question why. I reviewed most of your posts and it make me think your IQ is on a level of a dog and a mutt at that.

Do you intend on ever contributing one solitary informative, knowledgeable or interesting point to this group?

You come here intent on ripping on Pats players, Pats Superbowl wins, Patriot management, play calling, fans and contributors to this site.

You say you hate Patriots and their fans, you say you do not root for SD or Indy - who do you root for?

Why do you come here anyway, a solid contribution - one time - would be nice?
 
In case anyone wants to know who the troll who started this thread is.....
http://www2.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187481
If you check out the Indystar board you may notice they don't talk football at all. Just professing their man crush on Peytiepoo. Anyway if you decide to join and reply you may find out it'll be a short stay. Their mods are extreme homers and ban everyone with a differing opinion.
 
In case anyone wants to know who the troll who started this thread is.....
http://www2.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187481
If you check out the Indystar board you may notice they don't talk football at all. Just professing their man crush on Peytiepoo. Anyway if you decide to join and reply you may find out it'll be a short stay. Their mods are extreme homers and ban everyone with a differing opinion.

Great find.

Let's ban the bastard.
 
In case anyone wants to know who the troll who started this thread is.....
http://www2.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187481
If you check out the Indystar board you may notice they don't talk football at all. Just professing their man crush on Peytiepoo. Anyway if you decide to join and reply you may find out it'll be a short stay. Their mods are extreme homers and ban everyone with a differing opinion.
Where is Ian? If this isn't solid evidence for banning a troll and deleting this asinine thread then I don't know what is?
 
Hey, it was fun while it lasted. I could've kept it going for another 10 pages, but I felt bad when you started calling each other out.

Anyway, good luck next year!

:rocker:
Up yours, ya troll!
 
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