The pats need to make a switch at slot WR

[upstater1]

The Jags have given Lawrence over 4 years, this is year 5 for Lawrence. Do you think we should wait 5 years for a QB like Lawrence or G Smith?

Maye hasn't even played 17 games yet.

What are you talking about?

 

[imahobgoblin]

The 'hey, give the kid a break'ers, are the same ones who've been telling everyone who would listen that this was somehow a playoff team, because of Drake Maye. I've always thought this was a rebuilding/development year. But again, it's ok to say when he played like ****. Revisionist history doesn't help anyone.

Lie much? I have been saying give the kid a break. He is 22, had idiots for coaches last year, and is learning one of the most complicated offensive systems. Many feel the same way and have said this is year 1 of a rebuild and not a payoff team.

 

[DaBruinz]

Maye focused on the wrong things this off-season. They talked about him focusing on his stamina.. They mentioned nothing about his footwork. His footwork has been one of his biggest issues since college. His footwork was non-existent in college. He worked on it prior to last season an it became wildly inconsistent. He needs to be focusing on it day in and day out until he's got his feet consistently under him. Then, he's much less likely to sail those passes to guys like Douglas, Henry and Hooper. He's also less likely to throw the interception like he did. Because he'll have his feet under him for proper follow through.

 

[DaBruinz]

Gave you 4 examples, 2 directly from the team you referenced and 2 that had some of the best learning opportunities around.

You trying now to suggest geno smith could be a franchise QB for the jets? The guy with 1.4 TD’s per INT, slightly better than Jameis Winston. Guess they both just needed more time at their first teams and they’d be elite.

Ty[pical guy who has to rely on stats from when a player was on crappily run teams so you can besmirch him.

Geno Smith has had 71 TDs and 35 ints in the last 3 years. That's a 2-1 ratio. He's also had a top 5 completion percentage and put up over 12K yards during that time.

Sam Darnold ha 4 straight years of crappy teams, then 2 years of Injury and a year as a back-up before he put up a 35T-12INT year in Minny.. That's nearly 3-1.

The Jets are a poorly run organization and have been. The fact that they've used two 1sts and a 2nd since 2013 should be proof to anyone how poorly run they are. Especially since 2 of the 3 have become solid starters for other teams that were run better. No one is saying "Franchise", but you seem to not understand how much the rest of the team (lack of proper O-line, WR, TE, RB) have on a QB on a poorly run team.

 

[DaBruinz]

Must be the team around him or the coaches, give poor Trevor another decade.

You seem to be missing his point. Not surprising since you couldn't be honest about Smith or Darnold.

Let me ask you something. How old was Brady when he took over for Bledsoe? How many years had he been a starter in College and what did he do in his 1st year as a pro?

Brady was 1-3 for 6 yards as a rookie. He was 23. He was 24 when he took over for Bledsoe.

Brady had 4 years of college ball at Michigan and he had starts all 4 years. Despite the Boosters wanting Brian Griese as the starter.

Maye was 21 when he was drafted and turned 22 right before the start of his rookie season and just turned 23 to start this season. Maye had only 2 seasons as a starter at UNC and came out with serious footwork issues. The Pats need to get him someone who can fix that and have Maye work on that DAILY. Both in practice and afterwards until it's second nature. That was one of the things that Brady constantly worked on. He said as much numerous times.

Maye has now been paired with a Coached that helped Brady blossom into the perennial All-Pro that he was, even if the league didn't acknowledge it. Maybe give Maye a year under McDaniels before writing him off. Or do you lack the ability to be patient for that?

OH. And, before you try and counter me, you should know I was against the Maye pick because of his footwork issues. But, he's here now and I'm willing to give him the time since he's younger than many QBs coming out of school.

 

[Santi]

Ty[pical guy who has to rely on stats from when a player was on crappily run teams so you can besmirch him.

Geno Smith has had 71 TDs and 35 ints in the last 3 years. That's a 2-1 ratio. He's also had a top 5 completion percentage and put up over 12K yards during that time.

Sam Darnold ha 4 straight years of crappy teams, then 2 years of Injury and a year as a back-up before he put up a 35T-12INT year in Minny.. That's nearly 3-1.

The Jets are a poorly run organization and have been. The fact that they've used two 1sts and a 2nd since 2013 should be proof to anyone how poorly run they are. Especially since 2 of the 3 have become solid starters for other teams that were run better. No one is saying "Franchise", but you seem to not understand how much the rest of the team (lack of proper O-line, WR, TE, RB) have on a QB on a poorly run team.

Wrong, I wasn’t ’relying’ on anything I just wasn’t gonna waste more than 2 mins on numbers when the examples were valid given he mentioned the jets.

Like I said, Darnold had such a good year that the vikings didn’t keep him. You’d think a 3-1 QB would be worth paying for over a rookie no? Except we all saw how Darnold ended the season, same old guy in reality. No amount of patience makes him an elite QB.

The rest about the jets is irrelevant, that just proves the point that moving on from the QB’s is not the sole reason they are ****, which was in fact upstarters argument.

As for drake, as ive said multiple times now, let’s hope he shows something this season to suggest he can be elite in time. Otherwise no problem looking again, the second post you’ve made your own narrative to argue against, so enjoy yourself.

 

[Nunchucks]

I have not seen the All-22, but if the running game struggled due to the box being being packed, it is also harder to run slants with more defenders in the middle of the field.

They ran one time when both safeties were in the box.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yep. If Drake can’t get it at 22, it’s means he won’t get it until he’s 30.

I firmly believe Drake and for his career trajectory he has the best people around him. It takes a little bit if time for the entire offense to fully gel. Moses said yesterday that Sunday's game was the first time basically since pre-season that all 11 starters were together.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'll need a source for that one.

There was noticeable regression from last year by Maye, when it was also obvious the pieces around him are vastly improved. It's ok to say that. Nobody's calling for Josh Dobbs.

The 'hey, give the kid a break'ers, are the same ones who've been telling everyone who would listen that this was somehow a playoff team, because of Drake Maye. I've always thought this was a rebuilding/development year. But again, it's ok to say when he played like ****. Revisionist history doesn't help anyone.

So you expected him to just step into MacDaniels offense and have it down with a new team around him in the first game? Everybody knew there would be a steep learning curve going from Van Pelt’s offense to MacDaniels offense.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Running is to be expected.
Fields does have the second best rushing season by a QB in NFL history after all.

Justin Firlds is in his 5th year and is already on his 3rd team. Patsfan2 would have been screaming off with his head for every game the past four seasons.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

This is a very crazy post.

Are you admiring the Jets and their eternal search for a QB?

Drake Maye isn't in the same universe as Mac Jones. He's infinitely better than Mac.

Mac Jones went to a Pro Bowl. If Drake continues to be incapable of reading defenses or going through his progressions or making accurate throws reliably, then they are certainly in the same universe, the same planet. Drake has got to prove it on the field. Not a great start, but with all the changes we should cut him some slack.

 

[scott99]

Drake Maye has to stop sailing passes 6 feet over the heads of his receivers. It wasn’t a receiver problem.

I may be wrong, but I think the passes being sailed over receivers heads has to do with the footwork issues talked about prior to the draft. He doesn’t plant his feet, therefore he’s less accurate on those plays. It doesn’t seem like the footwork issues have been worked on enough.

 

[scott99]

As far as the slot position, why not play Chism AND Douglas on the field at the same time. Not comparing them, but the Pats had a ton of success with Edelman and Amendola on the field at the same time (in McDaniels’ offense). I would think defenses would have trouble covering both.

 

[Real fan 02]

The woe is us, we have no talent, all the players on other teams are talented energy is strong in this fanbase. It has to be the media for the large part.

A big segment of the fanbase wanted to fire Belichick at the start of 2014… then “we’re onto Cincinnati” happened. We were told in 2014, 2016 and 2018 we had “no talent,” the defense was too old and slow, we had no weapons… unfortunately the loudest voices get all the attention.

If we can be “talentless” in the midst of peak second dynasty, then the local media clearly have no fcking clue… nor do the lemmings who follow them.

Good points wozzy. For example Boston sports reporting seems to be the hardest on local teams then any other sports city seemingly.

 

[TommyD4207]

As far as the slot position, why not play Chism AND Douglas on the field at the same time. Not comparing them, but the Pats had a ton of success with Edelman and Amendola on the field at the same time (in McDaniels’ offense). I would think defenses would have trouble covering both.

Sure, fine. But it would have made no difference yesterday. Receiver separation wasn't an issue in the slightest.

 

[p8ryts]

Sure, fine. But it would have made no difference yesterday. Receiver separation wasn't an issue in the slightest.

Agree, Maye passed up many open receivers within 10 yards of the LOS.

 

[signbabybrady]

As far as the slot position, why not play Chism AND Douglas on the field at the same time. Not comparing them, but the Pats had a ton of success with Edelman and Amendola on the field at the same time (in McDaniels’ offense). I would think defenses would have trouble covering both.

The simple assumption would be that they think Diggs, Boutte, Hollins, and Williams are better. I'm all for dressing Chiz over Hollins but we'll have to wait until Vrabel feels he's ready.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I had high hopes for Douglas, but it's getting to a point we can't keep giving him the Laurence Maroney treatment (this is the week he breaks out).

 

[Huckleberry1]

I may be wrong, but I think the passes being sailed over receivers heads has to do with the footwork issues talked about prior to the draft. He doesn’t plant his feet, therefore he’s less accurate on those plays. It doesn’t seem like the footwork issues have been worked on enough.

The interception came when his arm was hit while throwing.

 

[ivanvamp]

I'm not giving up on Pop Douglas; my prediction was a least 800yds in the Slot for him if healthy.

Pop Douglas would be great if Tom Brady was his QB. In fact, I believe that with a good NFL quarterback, this receiving group would be considered pretty good. Maye may become a good NFL quarterback. He simply isn't that yet. But he just turned 23 and has played in just 14 NFL games in his career. Long way to go with him.