The Patriots first 4 picks this year will be...

[jah]

Comparing Lamar Jackson to Michael Bishop is practically a dogwhistle.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I will say that I am skeptical that someone received a 48/50.

I think it's perfectly plausible, and indicates that he can shift gears rapidly, and has pretty good processing power to boot. I wonder whether it randomizes the tests at that link, or gives you the same one again. If it's the latter, it's no good, but if it gives you a different test, I'll be interested to check on improvement.

I'd note that what it does well is test you on established concepts that, if you know them, you have to apply quickly. It's not going to tell you anything football-worthy if the brain in question hasn't really been drilled in simple math and literacy (the language and logic parts of those answers might be intact, but being quick-glance literate is about letters as much as language). Quick adjustment is pretty well suited to football, but testing math for a guy who uses numbers to remember what's in the playbook, and perhaps in 10 yard increments, is silly. Ditto manipulations of the alphabet.

 

[supafly]

yup

If someone is too smart, he might be able to absorb many offenses and be valuable for 14 years.

Have you tried to take the test?

Let me know when you get a 48, or even a 38 for that matter. I’ll even accept something in the low 30s. Anyone claiming that they received a 48/50 is flat out lying. If a 22 year college kid without a graduate degree scored a 48/50, he should be curing cancer.

 

[supafly]

I think it's perfectly plausible, and indicates that he can shift gears rapidly, and has pretty good processing power to boot. I wonder whether it randomizes the tests at that link, or gives you the same one again. If it's the latter, it's no good, but if it gives you a different test, I'll be interested to check on improvement.

I'd note that what it does well is test you on established concepts that, if you know them, you have to apply quickly. It's not going to tell you anything football-worthy if the brain in question hasn't really been drilled in simple math and literacy (the language and logic parts of those answers might be intact, but being quick-glance literate is about letters as much as language). Quick adjustment is pretty well suited to football, but testing math for a guy who uses numbers to remember what's in the playbook, and perhaps in 10 yard increments, is silly. Ditto manipulations of the alphabet.

Yes, I’m very interested in knowing how repetitive the general concepts are.

 

[mgteich]

Florio said since Jackson doesn't have an agent that he probably wasn't prepped at all for the wonderlick

OK, but he did get into and attend college?

 

[mgteich]

Have you tried to take the test?

Let me know when you get a 48, or even a 38 for that matter. I’ll even accept something in the low 30s. Anyone claiming that they received a 48/50 is flat out lying. If a 22 year college kid without a graduate degree scored a 48/50, he should be curing cancer.

I have two graduate degrees, but that's not relevant. You can think that no one can score 48 on the Wonderlic or the equivalent on other IQ or intelligence tests. I don't know why you would say that. Scores in the 40's are high, but they hardly suggest outright lying.

There have been players that have score 48. It seems that they are indeed better able to understand offenses that those who score 28. And yes, guys like Ben Watson have allowed their smarts to help them for a lot of years. I would note that there have been studies that, in general, Wonderlic's aren't very useful in determining future success in the NFL.

BTW, an NFL prospect once did a 50 out of 50. Not surprisingly, he graduated from Harvard.

 

[supafly]

I have two graduate degrees, but that's not relevant. You can think that no one can score 48 on the Wonderlic or the equivalent on other IQ or intelligence tests. I don't know why you would say that. Scores in the 40's are high, but they hardly suggest outright lying.

I have a Masters, myself, and my wife is a doctor. We may not be Mensa candidates, but we should be able to hold our own. Both of us have 8+ years of college education, and neither one of us broke 30.

Even patsfaninVa, who is obviously highly intelligent, didn’t get out of the early 30s (32). Like I said, if Ben Watson seriously scored an almost perfect score on the Wonderlic, the SATs, or any other college level measure of intelligence, then he should be curing cancer, because he’s one of the smartest people on the planet.

As noted, the score of 32 puts one in the 85th-90th percentile, so Watson’s 48 would put him in a class all by himself. He’d literally be the smartest football player that we’ve ever seen who has had a real NFL career. Color me skeptical. That’s all I’m saying.

 

[mgteich]

Huge List Of NFL Wonderlic Scores By Position | WTS

Yes, Ben Watson is the high part of the 99th percentile, and a probably a MENSA candidate. We had several of those in school. I was in the lower part of the 99th percentile. It just wasn't that unusual or special. In college, I knew many with much higher scores. Your mention of the SAT's instructive. We had many who had perfect or near perfect scores. With regard to the Wonderlic, I believe 40 is the 99th percentile.

So, no, getting 780's or 800 on an SAT test or 40 on the Wonderlic does NOT mean that your should be curing cancer. Please understand what 99th percentile means. It means that the person scored higher than 99 percent. That is, 1 in 100 score in the 99th percentile, hardly a curing cancer standard.
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And yes, some really smart people decide to play or coach football. Heck, a rocket scientist is now coaching Detroit. And, yes, rocket scientists are likely to be good candidates for MENSA.

I have a Masters, myself, and my wife is a doctor. We may not be Mensa candidates, but we should be able to hold our own. Both of us have 8+ years of college education, and neither one of us broke 30.

Even patsfaninVa, who is obviously highly intelligent, didn’t get out of the early 30s (32). Like I said, if Ben Watson seriously scored an almost perfect score on the Wonderlic, the SATs, or any other college level measure of intelligence, then he should be curing cancer, because he’s one of the smartest people on the planet.

As noted, the score of 32 puts one in the 85th-90th percentile, so Watson’s 48 would put him in a class all by himself. He’d literally be the smartest football player that we’ve ever seen who has had a real NFL career. Color me skeptical. That’s all I’m saying.

 

[supafly]

Huge List Of NFL Wonderlic Scores By Position | WTS

Yes, Ben Watson is the high part of the 99th percentile, and a probably a MENSA candidate. We had several of those in school. I was in the lower part of the 99th percentile. It just wasn't that unusual or special. In college, I knew many with much higher scores. Your mention of the SAT's instructive. We had many who had perfect or near perfect scores. With regard to the Wonderlic, I believe 40 is the 99th percentile.

So, no, getting 780's or 800 on an SAT test or 40 on the Wonderlic does NOT mean that your should be curing cancer. Please understand what 99th percentile means. It means that the person scored higher than 99 percent. That is, 1 in 100 score in the 99th percentile, hardly a curing cancer standard.
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And yes, some really smart people decide to play or coach football. Heck, a rocket scientist is now coaching Detroit. And, yes, rocket scientists are likely to be good candidates for MENSA.

The 99th percentile (score of 40) isn’t particularly relevant though, since Ben Watson scored a record setting 48. If someone is actually that smart, then yes—they would belong in the group that people would bring up in terms of curing diseases, developing cutting edge tech, etc. So, it’s not a 1 in 100 thing like you’re suggesting, but probably closer to 1 in 1,000, or possibly even 1 in 10,000.

Let me know when you spend 12:00 minutes to take the test.

 

[Sciz]

The Wonderlic shouldn’t be used to evaluate somebody’s high-level intelligence. None of the questions are designed to be especially difficult, just tricky enough to make the average person take significantly more than 14 seconds on an average question. I thought the question asking for the average of all integers from 17 to 55 was especially hilarious, because I imagine some poor NFL prospect actually attempting that instead of realizing that it’s a fairly easy solution.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Wayyyyy off topic here but...

We’re using “curing cancer” as local shorthand for some amazing feat of intellect, and guessing that it corellates with the highest IQ scores.

I know we hear all the time about the score of Einstein or some other big name. I don’t know how close to true it is that it’s a “prerequisite” to what we recognize as genius. ::shrug::

There are MENSA pizza delivery guys. Question is whether there are in practice geniuses who score comparatively low - not so low as average perhaps, but in the moderately bright range.

And yeah, Ben Watson sounds like a pretty smart cookie!

 

[mgteich]

Pat McInally 50 P
Mike Mamula 49 LB
Ryan Fitzpatrick 48 QB
Greg McElroy 48 QB
Benjamin Watson 48 TE
Kevin Curtis 48 WR

I'm an old man, nowhere as sharp as I used to be as when I was in college, testing at the very low end of the 99th percentile. Now, I use google to find out that Ben Watson doesn't have the NFL record, and use memory and analysis to understand that Watson is indeed smart.

I wonder what Patricia would score.

The 99th percentile (score of 40) isn’t particularly relevant though, since Ben Watson scored a record setting 48. If someone is actually that smart, then yes—they would belong in the group that people would bring up in terms of curing diseases, developing cutting edge tech, etc. So, it’s not a 1 in 100 thing like you’re suggesting, but probably closer to 1 in 1,000, or possibly even 1 in 10,000.

Let me know when you spend 12:00 minutes to take the test.

 

[DW Toys]

Im all about giving Lynch a second chance but I think it would cost much more since it's us.
Can you imagine if we made him look like s top QB Elways head would explode.
I brought this up on here the other day when I read the article that Lynch is working with Guerrero.
It tells me he's looking to turn his career around and with The Broncs paying Keenum he could he available for a third or fourth.
I'm thinking we may have information intiamte about him from Guerrero if BB plays nice.

Yes, He can be treated by Guerrero here. It's almost could be thought of as a conversation BB might have had with Elway already. If he "takes a QB he will make Lynch available. Oh, by the way, Lynch wants to start working with Guerrero". I am not Clouseau but perhaps.........
The kid has the same stats as Rosen. Better than Darnold. More consistent than Allen. But he is a bad fit in the Broncos offense especially now with Keenum directing a roll out passing venue.
He's got a little seasoning and some starts under his belt.
Here is a question. If the Pats needed a QB for a couple games, Hoyer or Lyncn coached up by Josh?
DW Toys

 

[DW Toys]

Comparing Lamar Jackson to Michael Bishop is practically a dogwhistle.

Yikes! OK You pick a comp NE QB then. These two fit closest. Jimmy G? No...Brissett? No....Bledsoe? No..... Everyone compares Jackson to Mike Vick.....I am listening but don't hear "dog" whistles there??? Last time I know I think they both just happen to be African Americans. No harm no foul. Seeing that the League players are about 70% African American, the comps are fair.

See Dion Sanders on Apke a month ago.

Spray paint em all lavender for all I care if that helps.

We had Tebow here if you prefer. Use him then. Jackson=Tebow

DW Toys

 

[ctpatsfan77]

 

[maineman209]

If the pats don't want Rudolph, Paxton is a reasonable acquisition for a 6th.

I thought Bill Paxton died?

 

[maineman209]

Agree about the QB, but I’m not expecting a first round pick to be traded down to accumulate fourth and fifth round picks. An additional second and third would make more sense, in my opinion. That would give us 1 first, 3 seconds, and 2 thirds. I think he may consider top 100 quantity over top 31 quality, obviously depending upon the players available.

As far as trading to fill that hole in the fourth/fifth rounds, I think that could be done by moving our third, or simply moving our third next year too, particularly since we’re projected to have 3 third round picks when you add the two from the comp formula. Also, he may very well be okay with only picking up a fourth this year and leaving the fifth round bare. It’s not like we need to have a pick in every round. 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a third, a fourth, and the late rounders would probably work just fine. It shouldn’t be too hard to add a fourth rounder by parting with one of next years thirds.

I also think that he could move one of the top 4 picks into next year just the same. That would give us a nice draft this year and guarantee some options for next with the three third rounders and possible additions from a first/second this year.

The Pats already traded their 2019 3rd in the deal that got Danny Shelton and the Cleveland 5th (which was then turned into Patterson and a 6th from OAK).

AFAIK, the Pats won't officially receive those comp picks until next March and can't trade them until then.

 

[Sciz]

The Pats already traded their 2019 3rd in the deal that got Danny Shelton and the Cleveland 5th (which was then turned into Patterson and a 6th from OAK).

AFAIK, the Pats won't officially receive those comp picks until next March and can't trade them until then.

Technically, they can trade a different pick with conditions that eventually make it the comp pick instead. The Collins trade was for the Browns' 2018 4th, with the condition that it would be a 2017 compensatory 3rd round pick instead if/when they received one.

 

[maineman209]

Wayyyyy off topic here but...

We’re using “curing cancer” as local shorthand for some amazing feat of intellect, and guessing that it corellates with the highest IQ scores.

I know we hear all the time about the score of Einstein or some other big name. I don’t know how close to true it is that it’s a “prerequisite” to what we recognize as genius. ::shrug::

There are MENSA pizza delivery guys. Question is whether there are in practice geniuses who score comparatively low - not so low as average perhaps, but in the moderately bright range.

And yeah, Ben Watson sounds like a pretty smart cookie!

There are many different aspects and types of "intelligence".

Being a whiz at "Name That Tune!" reveals nothing about whether or not that person has the intelligence to write a symphony, or even a decent pop tune. Scoring high (or low) on a test like the Wonderlic reveals nothing about whether that person has the "intelligence" to cure cancer or play football well - or even to explain why this is true about tests like the Wonderlic.

 

[supafly]

There are many different aspects and types of "intelligence".

Being a whiz at "Name That Tune!" reveals nothing about whether or not that person has the intelligence to write a symphony, or even a decent pop tune. Scoring high (or low) on a test like the Wonderlic reveals nothing about whether that person has the "intelligence" to cure cancer or play football well - or even to explain why this is true about tests like the Wonderlic.

There is obvious correlation between scoring high on tests like the SAT or Wonderlic and having a high level of intelligence. After all, it’s not just about answering correctly, but doing so at a rapid pace. I think it’s safe to say that scoring in the 99th or 100th percentile would suggest that someone had a much higher level of intelligence than just about anyone else who has attempted to take the exam. For me, there’s not much to debate, there.

And the whole “cure cancer” statement was obviously some tongue in cheek, hyperbole. That said, I take the reports of these scores with a grain of salt, but if there are kids who are graduating with undergrad communications degrees who are getting perfect scores, then God bless them. They are some smart football players.