The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One

[Lifer]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

look at Pioli's track record. I would me AMAZED if he reached for Bradford at #3. He will probably go for the best DL or OL on the board and build from the trenches out. Brady was key, but for the most part, look at what has been the heart of the Patriot dynasty built from the draft. Light, Koppen, Mankins, and Kazur on the OL. Seymour, Warren, Wilfork and Green on the DL. Pioli is a Belichick/Parcells guy. You win in the trenches. If a Brady was available, sure, but none of the college QB's look that good.

 

[DefenseRules]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

I dunno, they drafted Aaron Rodgers. What's your point? My point is they drafted Kevin O'Connell to be Brady's backup. He's been in the league a year, the team was high on him, and the other option at backup would cost them $14 million.

Tom Brady is NO LONGER the starting QB of the Patriots. MATT CASSEL is. Look at how the fan base is in awe of him.
He's the man. If Brady is still here, he will be Cassel's back up. According to Patriot Nation that's all he's good for now that he's been injured. We can't take the chance that he might return from the injury and still be TOM BRADY.
I hope that Pioli takes him. He'll be better appreciated out in KC.

 

[JMarr]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Any question about a Brady trade is moot at this point. The only thing anyone (including other GMs) knows is that, as of right now Brady is damaged goods.

Equally as important as his health is that, dating all the way back to the past off-season, Brady has done absolutely nothing, nill, nada, squat, to indicate that he's as motivated to play football as he once was.

Even if the Pats wanted to trade Brady there will be absolutely ZERO interest until questions about his health and motivation are answered.

 

[JSn]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Tom Brady is NO LONGER the starting QB of the Patriots. MATT CASSEL is. Look at how the fan base is in awe of him.
He's the man. If Brady is still here, he will be Cassel's back up. According to Patriot Nation that's all he's good for now that he's been injured. We can't take the chance that he might return from the injury and still be TOM BRADY.
I hope that Pioli takes him. He'll be better appreciated out in KC.

Seriously, why are you personally hurt by any hint that there may some evaluation going on as to which QB suits the future of the Pats best?

Relax a little, it's not like (m)any of us have a say anyway.

 

[Mogamedogz]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

He'll be better appreciated out in KC.

Their Fanbase isn't made up of Wagon Jumpers.

Unlike ours.

 

[DefenseRules]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Seriously, why are you personally hurt by any hint that there may some evaluation going on as to which QB suits the future of the Pats best?

Relax a little, it's not like (m)any of us have a say anyway.

Hurt. No my friend. I have accepted that he is no longer the starting QB of this team. I expect him to either be cut or traded before the draft. We need to rebuild the defense and we only have cap room for one QB. I'm thinking that BB will see the value in keeping Cassel. Brady did some nice things for us, but that's all in the past now, OBVIOUSLY.
HE WILL NOT BE ON THIS TEAM when the 2009 season begins.
The man got rid of Bledsoe when few thought that he would. Why would this situation be any different?

 

[JSn]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Their Fanbase isn't made up of Wagon Jumpers.

Unlike ours.

Wait, so you guys will be fans of KC is Brady goes there to play, but Patsfans are wagon jumpers? hm.

 

[DefenseRules]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Wait, so you guys will be fans of KC is Brady goes there to play, but Patsfans are wagon jumpers? hm.

LOL, it didn't take long for you to get on the Cassel bandwagon.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

I dunno, they drafted Aaron Rodgers. What's your point? My point is they drafted Kevin O'Connell to be Brady's backup. He's been in the league a year, the team was high on him, and the other option at backup would cost them $14 million.

2008: Brian Brohm
2005: Aaron Rodgers
1999: Aaron Brooks
1998: Matt Hasselbeck
1993: Mark Brunell

and about 10 guys who didn't pan out. QB is the most important position in the NFL, and having a backup plan is always smart. Not drafting a QB every couple of years is a bad idea, because the hit is so bad if you don't have one ready to play.

 

[Mogamedogz]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Wait, so you guys will be fans of KC is Brady goes there to play, but Patsfans are wagon jumpers? hm.

Who said anything about being a KC fan?

I was born a Patriot fan and will die one. But it's no big secret that much of our fanbase didnt show up until AFTER the winning. That my friend, is a fact.

The lack of loyalty to Brady simply reflects a wagon jumpers personality imo. They have no real loyalty and lack the ability to stick by the team (in this case a player) when they are down.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

If Bill believes Matt is a better long term value to the team, Brady is gone. Super-simple. Doesn't mean Tom doesn't have a few good years left, but Matt could have 10 of them left.

I just think you have to try and see the business projections at work here. It's simply about winning and monetary value. I don't believe the considerations go beyond that, and I expect everyone in the organization understands this.

Exactly. There is no personal feelings in this. All business.


None of us are Billy B, and none of us can make those evaluations. Belichick will decide which one has more long term value, and the other will go.

The thing is, if Cassel shows minor improvement next year, or even is just the guy we saw in the 2nd half of the season, we're looking at a guy who could put up a 35 TD/10 INt/4500 yd season.

In my opinnion, Brady has more risk than Cassel. Hes older, hes coming off a major injury, and honestly, I wouldn't be all that surprised if he retired at the end of his current contract and became a Model/Politicial/Talk show host or something silly like that. He's made too many comments after winning in 2004 to the likes of "Is this it?" for me to believe that hes going to pull a favre and play till hes 40.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Absolutely not- I know that for some weird reason the OP seems to want Brady gone, but it's just not going to happen.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

The lack of loyalty to Brady simply reflects a wagon jumpers personality imo. They have no real loyalty and lack the ability to stick by the team (in this case a player) when they are down.

I'm loyal to the Patriots. I'm a patriots fan, not a tom brady fan.


I think the Red Sox should stay the hell away from Varitek. That doesn't mean I'm not a red sox fan.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

This is a "trade Brady" thread. It should have been merged a long time ago.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

I wouldn't be all that surprised if he retired at the end of his current contract and became a Model/Politicial/Talk show host or something silly like that. He's made too many comments after winning in 2004 to the likes of "Is this it?" for me to believe that hes going to pull a favre and play till hes 40.

People keep saying this, but where are any of you getting this from? I guess we've been watching a different Tom Brady, because what I've always seen from him has given me an awful lot of reason to believe that he's about the most competitive player on the field during any given game. People like that rarely retire early, because they know that they'll never be able to compete like that again. If anything, it's what drives guys to stick around too long.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Put in order the three things you think are most likely to continue:

1) Matt Cassel plays to the level he did in 2008.
2) Tom Brady plays to the level he did in 2007.
3) Kevin O'Connell matches the play of Matt Cassel in 2008.

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In order of likelihood I would swap 2 & 3.

Tom Brady had a record breaking year in 2007. I am willing to bet the house that when he retires that will still be his best year. I would also being willing to bet the house Peyton Manning will never top his 2004 season. Here is two more prediction regrading current QBs Culpeper will not surpass his 2004 season and Warner will not surpass his 1999 season.

On the other hand Matt Cassel in 2007 outplayed Brady in 2001 and Matt Cassel in Dec was head and shoulders above Matt Cassel in Sept. And I fully expect MC in 2009 to be on par with Dec Matt Cassel

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

The man got rid of Bledsoe when few thought that he would. Why would this situation be any different?

Because Bledsoe, even at his best, wasn't half the QB that Brady is. If Belichick honestly thought that Cassel was going to be a better player than Brady, then I would expect him to cut/trade him. I just don't think he'd ever reach that conclusion, because the difference between Brady and Cassel, as well as Cassel played at the end of the year, is still substantial.

 

[Mogamedogz]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Exactly. There is no personal feelings in this. All business.

That's the problem. Fans SHOULD have an emotional investment in the team and the greatest player that has ever suited up for us.

You don't work in the front office... the buisness side of things shouldn't matter even a little bit to us THE FANS.

What kind of true fan turns their back on the best player to ever take the field for us just because he got injured and then says "it's all business". Are you kidding me? What kind of chit is that?

The guy got hurt. I think he has earned the support of his (so-called) fans, while he is likely working his ass off to get back on the field.

"It's all business". You gotta be f'in kidding me with that nonsense.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Because Bledsoe, even at his best, wasn't half the QB that Brady is.

Completely agree, but there was no evidence of that in 2001. We were in a similar situation... the backup had played well when the starter got hurt. What if Brady had Derrick Anderson'd on us?


If the Pats didn't think Cassel was a viable long term starter, they would have brought in a vet during the season.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

That's the problem. Fans SHOULD have an emotional investment in the team and the greatest player that has ever suited up for us.

You don't work in the fornt office... the buisness side of things shouldn't matter even a little bit to us THE FANS.

What kind of true fan turns their back on the best player to ever take the field for us just because he got injured and then says "it's all business". Are you kidding me? What kind of chit is that?

I'm not "turning my back" on him. I'm saying he may not be the best option at this point. I'm making an intellectual argument, not an emotional one.


Do you think the Red Sox should bring back Varitek simply because he is an emotional part of the team, despite the fact that hes an awful ballplayer right now?


I have an emotional investment in the Pats. Not Tom Brady.