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  1. JDot

    JDot 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    ^This.......

    I am still holding out hope for Jermaine. But if I am him, I am walking on egg shells right now..
     
  2. shirtsleeve

    shirtsleeve In the Starting Line-Up

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    OK, I am sitting here after two nights, and thinking. Agree or disagree with his selections in both FA and the draft, BB is stocking his D, and giving Tom a couple of new weapons to throw to. I have come to a conclusion and this is going waaaaay off the ranch.

    I have a feeling Tom is planning his retirement. Not this season, prolly not next. But soon. BB is loading up on D to carry a team with a new person behind center in a couple of years. Giving these kids time to develop in the system in that time makes perfect sense. Lets face it, with Matt's looming retirement, it leaves Kevin Faulk and Tom left from the 01 team.

    Again, I dont think the retirement is imminent, just on the horizon, and pieces are being put in place to take the weight and pressure off of a successor.
     
  3. Boomer B

    Boomer B Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    I agree. If Ocho comes to training camp a step slower and having to be told by another player where to line up Belichick isn't going to waste a roster spot on him. Ocho's gonna have to earn it.
     
  4. randomk1

    randomk1 In the Starting Line-Up

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    He just said he wants to play for another 10 years. I wouldn't doubt that guy's desire to do it.

    I'm guessing Bill is going for D because...that's something that needed to be done.
     
  5. AzPatsFan

    AzPatsFan Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    That was aan interesting speculation about Tom.

    I was thinking that Bill has decided that the Defense will have to get good enough to carry the Team when the Offense undergoes "the
    Transition".

    That what I was calling the retirement of Tom and the attempt to replace him with a new QB.

    With a little historical perspective you can see that Bill has been rebuilding the Team with a new generation really starting in earnest after the 2008 season.

    But the Offense was tweaked enough to be fine, and carry the team while the Defense was torn down to its rooots, and rebuilt with lot and lots of draft picks and also temporary patches.

    It sort of explains the multitude of draft picks and the expectation that some would work out and others would not. But slowly the Defense has taken shape and gotten deeper.

    The D line has added numerous players until the big studs are available in numbers and starting to mature and reach their primes. The secondary has had constant infusions of new talent and it is starting to show, even if our myopic people don't see it, as it was ravaged with injury this last season.

    Seemingly, the toughest area to rebuild was the LB corps. Two years ago they had fewer than four capable starters. No longer. Last season the ILBs developed and depth appeared too. Now the OLBs have had a talent infusion andiI don't think it is a mirage. It just takes time, several years, to mature a young LB and the Pats have paid their dues and Mayo, Spikes, and Ninko started to show well. A few patches in Cartetr and"Anderson made up for injuries to Cunninham; and with these picks, a lot of young talent has been found and added.

    Th ejob isnearing finish and BB has grown selective musing fewer picks but more targetted ones to the specific remaining weaknesses. Ther suimply weren't any good FS, so i suspec tthy gambaled heavily

    Next draft I would expect even more selectivity. Maybe they will have to revisit the Safety situation, and aim specifically at a big starter-quality 3-4 Defensive End. I don't see very many other needs.
     
  6. ctpatsfan77

    ctpatsfan77 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    To be fair, TFB has been saying that since about 2007.
     
  7. MP-Logick

    MP-Logick Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    interesting
     
  8. Brady'sButtBoy

    Brady'sButtBoy 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Bleacher report (and others) - Bequette is a stout run defender

    PFW - Bequette is not a good run defender

    Hmmm.

    PFW, NFP, (and others) - Bequette is not a very good athlete. Really? He was spectacular in the agility tests for D linemen/linebackers. Had several top two or three scores. Scores like his usually warrant words like this - quick twitch athlete, agile, great acceleration.

    PFW (and others) - Infer Bequette was something of a freelancer, a swaggerist if you will, who just rushes the QB at the expense of proper reads. Really? A 2-time captain, All-SEC player who was known for his relentless play and as a good run defender.

    We'll have to see...
     
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    BB will do whats best for the team and not for any one individual. Stinko will be fighting for his job and isnt guaranteed a damn thing, but a chance in training camp.
     
  10. Triumph

    Triumph Pro Bowl Player

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    There is a first time for everything.

    Cinko will be the first NE player to get canned after giving money back if he doesnt produce very soon. Its a performance based business. Perform or get down the road. The players understand that and I really doubt that they'll be shedding a tear for Old Cinko and how the Pats did him wrong after he was so generous reworking his contract.
     
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    PatsFanInVa PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    This is my in-all-seriousness reaction to reaches, even other team's reaches: the logic's all fugged up. The draft media always tell you where they "project" a guy to go, and if they're wrong, it's a "reach." Same as you guys are saying -- ultimately, he's a second rounder. We picked him in the second.

    And ultimately, lots of "reaches" will be whiffs. So will lots of "blue chips." Ta daaaa. It's all a big waste of time but it's fun.
     
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    Lampshade Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    If you haven't already done so, take a listen to the Bequette conference call. That is one ridiculously poised young man.
     
  13. kurtinelson

    kurtinelson In the Starting Line-Up

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    The Tavon Wilson pick ruined this draft for me. BB outsmarted himself again. Forgive me in the years to come if I obsess about the other players we could have had in the 2012 draft:

    Kendall Reyes
    Jerel Worthy
    Devon Still
    Peter Konz
    Lavonte David
    Vinny Curry
    Casey Hayward
    Trumaine Johnson
    Josh Robinson
    Brandon Taylor
    Brandon Brooks
    Mohammed Sanu
    etc.
     
  14. Snake Eyes

    Snake Eyes Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Just because BB has done something in the past doesn't mean he will do it in the future. Your assertion to the contrary is not "truth", it's speculation, nothing more. If Johnson is clearly beaten in camp by other players and we simply don't have room on the roster he will be gone, we'll see who is correct.
     
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    JJDChE In the Starting Line-Up

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    You're obviously confusing me with someone else.

    You didn't answer the question. Have you watched game tape on Wilson, or are your comments unsubstantiated?

    You don't have to answer if you don't want to. We all know the answer.
     
  16. DaBruinz

    DaBruinz Pats, B's, Sox PatsFans.com Supporter

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    My reasoning isn't flawed at all. You, on the other hand, are comparing apples to oranges. You can't compare what BB has or hasn't done in the draft to negotiating contracts with players. The fact you tried is just laughable.

    If a veteran player takes a pay cut to stay with the team, you don't cut him. Why? Because it's bad business and you will put yourself in a position where veterans will no longer do that and it will handicap you with the salary cap. So, you make the decision BEFORE you renegotiate with them.

    People keep saying that, with BB, anything is possible, but that just isn't true. There are certain things BB won't do because, in the long run, it hurts his ability to be able to put together a TEAM.
     
  17. Triumph

    Triumph Pro Bowl Player

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    None of the mini Mel Kipers on this board have ever seen a scouting tape on Wilson. Spoke with him in person or even attended one of his games.

    If BB is right, the Pats will be much improved on defense this season and the team will be in New Orleans this February and it wont be for Mardi Gras.
     
  18. patsfan13

    patsfan13 Hall of Fame Poster PatsFans.com Supporter

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    BTW for a number of years there have been scouting combines that is groups of teams that would pool scouting reports, there were 2 major one. The Pats are not a member of wither they choose to do all their own scouting and don't depend on pool (herd?) reports.

    Don't know if the combine scouting pools are still the norm.
     
  19. DaBruinz

    DaBruinz Pats, B's, Sox PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Listen, you, Froob, triumph and Boomer can spew all the BS you want, but you are ignoring reality. There have been players, in the past, whom clearly weren't the best and were just taking up a roster spot, yet BB didn't cut them. I mentioned some already and I find it amusing that you 4 ignored that.

    I had this same argument some 6 years. I was proven right by BB then and he'll prove me right again.

    You don't cut a veteran who has restructured his contract (saving the team cap space). Why? Because, if you do, then veterans down the line will be less likely to do so. In fact, it's more likely that they'd rather be cut, sticking the team with a higher cap hit, than restructure. That is not an assertion. That is truth. It's why BB has never done so and will continue not to do so.

    You see, BB already made the decision whether or not to cut Johnson prior to the restructuring. There was no point in restructuring Johnson's deal if there was even an inkling that BB would cut him. And it's not like the Pats needed the money for the cap at the time. They had plenty.

    But those are all things you all want to ignore.
     
  20. MossWelkowski

    MossWelkowski Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    Dude the draft is a crapshoot past the first round... Heck even in the first round. We won't know about any of these players until 2014. The pats team was set after Round 1.
     
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