The Mahomes/Chiefs Discussion Thread

[Guts]

By the time Mahomes is done with his career, Captain Dink-and-Dunk will be left on the ash heap of history

You do know the Chiefs had the highest YAC this season and the most throws completed under 10 yards right? Not even throwing shade at Mahomes because you take what the defense gives you, but the dink-dunk comment is kinda lame when that's what Mahomes been doing

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You do know the Chiefs had the highest YAC this season and the most throws completed under 10 yards right? Not even throwing shade at Mahomes because you take what the defense gives you, but the dink-dunk comment is kinda lame when that's what Mahomes been doing

Mahomes has the ability to throw the ball anywhere on the field. That's why he's not dink-and-dunk. Brady can only throw short to intermediate with an occasional floater pass that goes deep. Also, Mahomes does a lot of improvisational stuff, which most of times results in a short throw (throwing on the run, underhand, pirouette, etc).

 

[sb1]

Mahomes has the ability to throw the ball anywhere on the field. That's why he's not dink-and-dunk. Brady can only throw short to intermediate with an occasional floater pass that goes deep. Also, Mahomes does a lot of improvisational stuff, which most of times results in a short throw (throwing on the run, underhand, pirouette, etc).

And yet the greatest QB who ever lived Tom Brady owns Kermit Mahomes with a 2-0 record against him head to head in games that matter. That must be frustrating

 

[SHOWTIME15]

And yet the *greatest QB who ever lived Tom Brady owns Kermit Mahomes with a 2-0 record against him head to head in games that matter. That must be frustrating

Fixed it for you

* - spygate

 

[The Brandon Five]

Yes, I'm not old like you.

So what about Brady's texts to other members of the team? The league has to confiscate and review 10-15 phones? Easiest thing to do with be to look at Brady's, but the guy literally destroyed it the very same week he was going to meet with Goodell.

It's true I am older, and much wiser.

He was told by the NFLs attorneys that he could keep his phone. Deciding after-the-fact that it was required to absolve him is just more NFL ex post facto B.S.

Here is all you need to know: Walt Anderson testified that he used the logo gauge pre-game. That is important because there was a 0.3-0.45 PSI higher reading from that gauge, which explains the 0.4 PSI difference between the expected readings and the actual readings in the locker room at half time. The fact that the league overrode his testimony is all you need to know that this was a screw job.

We are all actually glad that the league made ball pressure an issue so that the team was made more aware of the phenomenon and could account for it going forward. Tom had some of his best years after that. Tom's top ten completion rates (regular season):

2011*	65.6
2009*	65.7
2020	65.7
2018*	65.8
2010*+	65.9
2017*+	66.3
2022	66.8
2016*	67.4
2021*	67.5
2007*+	68.9

 

[SHOWTIME15]

It's true I am older, and much wiser.

He was told by the NFLs attorneys that he could keep his phone. Deciding after-the-fact that it was required to absolve him is just more NFL ex post facto B.S.

Here is all you need to know: Ray Anderson testified that he used the logo gauge pre-game. That is important because there was a 0.3-0.45 PSI higher reading from that gauge, which explains the 0.4 PSI difference between the expected readings and the actual readings in the locker room at half time. The fact that the league overrode his testimony is all you need to know that this was a screw job.

We are all actually glad that the league made ball pressure an issue so that the team was made more aware of the phenomenon and could account for it going forward. Tom had some of his best years after that. Tom's top ten completion rates (regular season):

2011*	65.6
2009*	65.7
2020	65.7
2018*	65.8
2010*+	65.9
2017*+	66.3
2022	66.8
2016*	67.4
2021*	67.5
2007*+	68.9

Wiser? Who's Ray Anderson?

And what NFL attorney told Brady he could keep his phone? It was his own agent who told him that, not one of the league's lawyers. He destroyed his phone a few days before meeting with Goodell. What idiot does that? In the meanwhile, his other cell phones he previously used were all kept intact (and those were handed over to Goodell's lawyers). The one cell phone that was relevant to the time period, the 2014 AFCCG, was the one that got destroyed.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Mahomes has the ability to throw the ball anywhere on the field. That's why he's not dink-and-dunk. Brady can only throw short to intermediate with an occasional floater pass that goes deep. Also, Mahomes does a lot of improvisational stuff, which most of times results in a short throw (throwing on the run, underhand, pirouette, etc).

This can't be. I have been reliably told that Mahomes does not scramble.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Wiser? Who's Ray Anderson?

And what NFL attorney told Brady he could keep his phone? It was his own agent who told him that, not one of the league's lawyers. He destroyed his phone a few days before meeting with Goodell. What idiot does that? In the meanwhile, his other cell phones he previously used were all kept intact (and those were handed over to Goodell's lawyers). The one cell phone that was relevant to the time period, the 2014 AFCCG, was the one that got destroyed.

Walt Anderson, sorry. Like we said, I am old.

No phones were turned over to the lawyers. Sorry to burst your puerile bubble.

The Wells Report in Context

Introduction Ten months after the NFL released the 139-page Wells Report and the accompanying 82-page Exponent Report on March 11, 2016, we created this website and posted an initial, detailed critique of the analysis and conclusions of those reports. Since then, independent critiques of the...

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The February 28, 2014 email to Mr. Dubin, one of Mr. Brady’s lawyers, from Mr. Burns of the Paul Weiss firm (and with copies to his colleagues Messrs. Wells and Reisner, as well as to Mr. Pash, the General Counsel of the League) was very explicit: “We are not seeking to take possession of his phone or to image its contents.” Mr. Brady’s counsel confirmed to Mr. Wells that the phone would not be turned over due to privacy and precedential concerns.

 

[sb1]

Fixed it for you

* - spygate

I don't know about that. Your alter ego seemed to have a different opinion maybe you should check with him.

 

[sb1]

Wiser? Who's Ray Anderson?

And what NFL attorney told Brady he could keep his phone? It was his own agent who told him that, not one of the league's lawyers. He destroyed his phone a few days before meeting with Goodell. What idiot does that? In the meanwhile, his other cell phones he previously used were all kept intact (and those were handed over to Goodell's lawyers). The one cell phone that was relevant to the time period, the 2014 AFCCG, was the one that got destroyed.

Rovell: Brady would be crazy not to destroy his old phone

Celebrities frequently destroy their old phones, so Tom Brady's decision to do so doesn't necessarily mean he was covering his tracks for NFL investigators, writes Darren Rovell.

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Good article. Thanks for finding it!

 

[Steve102]

“Patrick Mahomes is something special that we’ve never seen before.”

-Former Tampa Bay Buccaneer Warren Sapp

Warren Sapp? Warren. Freakin'. Sapp. Bro, you can do waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better. Chit take.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Walt Anderson, sorry. Like we said, I am old.

No phones were turned over to the lawyers. Sorry to burst your puerile bubble.

The Wells Report in Context

Introduction Ten months after the NFL released the 139-page Wells Report and the accompanying 82-page Exponent Report on March 11, 2016, we created this website and posted an initial, detailed critique of the analysis and conclusions of those reports. Since then, independent critiques of the...

wellsreportcontext.com

Wells Report in context LOL. That website came from Brady's team.

They asked Brady to hand his phone over so that a forensics expert could review it. The phone was destroyed by Brady. What's so difficult to understand?

Deadspin | The Full Story Of Tom Brady's Destroyed Cell Phone

Deadspin | The Full Story Of Tom Brady's Destroyed Cell Phone

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In preparation for his June 23 appeal, Brady hired a forensic examiner to do the searches that Wells originally requested. Brady gave the forensic examiner two of his cell phones to examine. One of the phones was active between March 6, 2015 (the day he was interviewed by Wells) and April 8, 2015. Since this phone wasn’t active during the time period relevant to Wells’s investigation, the forensic examiner didn’t do anything further with it:

So Brady doesn't destroy all his cell phones, as he previously claimed. He gave two of them over to a forensic expert.

An initial examination of the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 indicated that its dates of active use were from March 6, 2015 through April 8, 2015. As such it was deemed to be outside the scope of the investigation and nofurther analysis was conducted.

The other phone was active between (probably) May 23, 2014 and Nov. 5, 2014. Here’s the forensic examiner explaining the uncertainty over the start date:

The March 23, 2014 date is based upon notes/location information from the installed application “Evernote”. It is likely that this could have been synchronized onto the phone at a later date and that the records were created on a different device. May 23, 2014 shows multiple applications being installed and is the first time web cookies are noted to exist. It is believed to be the more accurate initial active usage date.

The forensic examiner found a total of 557 text messages sent between Oct. 5, 2014 and Nov. 4, 2014. The examiner found that Brady had not exchanged any text messages with Patriots equipment manager David Schoenfield, equipment assistant John Jastremski, or locker room attendant Jim McNally. It doesn’t seem that the forensic examiner searched for messages containing any of the Wells preferred search terms like “deflate” and PSI.”

The discerning reader will notice that we’re left with a gap between Nov. 6, 2014 and March 5, 2015 in which the contents of Brady’s text messages are unavailable. Considering that the AFC Championship game was contested on January 18, 2015, this is a crucial four-month period. This is the destroyed cell phone that so rankled Ted Wells and Roger Goodell.

Brady was questioned extensively at his appeal hearing about this gap, and he asserted that it had always been his practice to have his cell phones destroyed every so often. He explained that there is private information like players contracts, endorsement deals, and photos of his family on his phone that he wanted wiped. That seems like a perfectly reasonable desire.

The timing seems too perfect to be a coincidence, however. While Brady didn’t answer conclusively, he conceded that since he gets a new phone when he gets rid of his old phone, and since his new phone became active on March 6, 2015, he likely got rid of the phone shortly before then. March 6, 2015 just so happens to be the day that Brady was interviewed by Ted Wells:

Again, Brady lied about destroying his old phone when he gets a new one. He gave two old phones over for examination.

I don't know about that. Your alter ego seemed to have a different opinion maybe you should check with him.

Again, that's not me. But what Brady's team did post-spygate has nothing to do with what benefits the team got from illegally videotaping DURING SPYGATE, a period in which the team won 3 super bowls. We now know that Bill videotaped over 40 games during that period, which is about 1/3 of the Patriots games from 2000-2006.

 

[sb1]

Again, that's not me. But what Brady's team did post-spygate has nothing to do with what benefits the team got from illegally videotaping DURING SPYGATE, a period in which the team won 3 super bowls. We now know that Bill videotaped over 40 games during that period.

Sure it isn't. LMAO #gotcha

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Thanks to @The Brandon Five and @sb1 , this thread has gotten way off track. Back to Mahomes. Anyone going to watch the new Mahomes docuseries?

 

[Steve102]

Thanks to @The Brandon Five and @sb1 , this thread has gotten way off track.

Because you had nothing to go with it. Riiiight.

Back to Mahomes. Anyone going to watch the new Mahomes docuseries?

Didn't know about it, but thanks for the post. I will definitely check it out.

 

[sb1]

Thanks to @The Brandon Five and @sb1 , this thread has gotten way off track. Back to Mahomes. Anyone going to watch the new Mahomes docuseries?

I can't blame you for being upset that Tom Brady, winner of more Super Bowl rings than any other NFL franchise and the greatest QB who ever lived completely owns your man Kermit Mahomes in games that matter. Must be frustrating...

 

[The Brandon Five]

Thanks to @The Brandon Five and @sb1 , this thread has gotten way off track. Back to Mahomes. Anyone going to watch the new Mahomes docuseries?

Are there any mirrors in your house?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I can't blame you for being upset that Tom Brady, winner of more Super Bowl rings than any other NFL franchise and the greatest QB who ever lived completely owns your man Kermit Mahomes in games that matter. Must be frustrating...

Not upset at all. Everything Mahomes has done is clean and free of controversy.

 

[sb1]

Not upset at all. Everything Mahomes has done is clean and free of controversy.

Brady stomped on Kermit fair and square. 2-0 in games that matter and Mahomes will never get a chance to change that. Ouch.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Wells Report in context LOL. That website came from Brady's team.

They asked Brady to hand his phone over so that a forensics expert could review it. The phone was destroyed by Brady. What's so difficult to understand?

Deadspin | The Full Story Of Tom Brady's Destroyed Cell Phone

Deadspin | The Full Story Of Tom Brady's Destroyed Cell Phone

deadspin.com

So Brady doesn't destroy all his cell phones, as he previously claimed. He gave two of them over to a forensic expert.





Again, Brady lied about destroying his old phone when he gets a new one. He gave two old phones over for examination.



Again, that's not me. But what Brady's team did post-spygate has nothing to do with what benefits the team got from illegally videotaping DURING SPYGATE, a period in which the team won 3 super bowls. We now know that Bill videotaped over 40 games during that period, which is about 1/3 of the Patriots games from 2000-2006.

The point is that there was no deflation, thus no crime. All of the rest is just noise to justify punishing Tom for success.

Screw job.

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