The Mahomes/Chiefs Discussion Thread

[SHOWTIME15]

Don't be so obtuse for a moment. Brady had surgery in February 2021 after the Super Bowl. He rehabbed the knee that off-season. It was widely reported as a "torn MCL" including by Ian Rapoport, SI and others. Brady called it "pretty serious." The Bucs organization acknowledged the injury. Arians talked about it. I'm not speculating.

Plenty of players get surgery. As Dr. Chao said:

Brady has earned hyperbole for his career, but not for this injury. I don’t doubt his MCL was injured and he needed surgery, but the lay person narrative of “completely torn” and “heroic” does not fit the medical facts.

If his MCL was completely torn and unstable, how did he take a boat ride with just a knee sleeve that does not have metal support? Brady always wears an ACL brace on that left lead leg and that does provide MCL stability. However, the soft neoprene sleeve he wore during his celebratory boat rides does not provide stability. The inevitable swaying that occurs on a boat would test his lateral knee stability. Brady’s MCL would have been stressed as he lateralled the Lombardi. His actions do not fit the narrative of a “completely torn” and unstable knee.

In my experience as an NFL head team physician, there is no way anyone could play with a complete (grade 3) MCL tear.

The only source you're citing, David Chao, is speculating. He did not examine Brady, or review any imaging of the knee, or review the medical record, or consult with the surgeon, or speak directly with Brady or anyone from the Bucs organization. Chao is merely speculating while also ignoring or dismissing multiple sources who contradict his speculation.

He's been right way more than he is wrong.

You just can't fathom Brady played an entire season with a serious knee injury because he beat your team the Chiefs on one leg and he's not an injury fraud like Mahomes. Philip Rivers played with a torn ACL in 2007, some players are tough.

Rivers played one game on a torn ACL. No way he can go through an entire season with that injury. Brady played two seasons on the so-called "fully torn MCL."

And remember the time Mahomes won a super bowl on a high ankle sprain when Brady couldn't in 2007 against the Giants with that same injury?

Logan Mankins played a whole season with a torn ACL, so I don't give a feck what Dr. Chao says.

Logan Mankins explains how he played entire season with torn ACL.

Mankins didn't have to run like skilled players do. Again Brady was running around JUST FINE when he got to Tampa. Besides according to that link, Mankins said the pain just went away after a few weeks. So in other words, it didn't bother him. It was very clear that whatever knee issue Brady had it was not causing him this great deal of pain and discomfort. He was RUNNING on that bad knee.

 

[crawhammer]

Mankins didn't have to run like skilled players do. Again Brady was running around JUST FINE when he got to Tampa. Besides according to that link, Mankins said the pain just went away after a few weeks. So in other words, it didn't bother him. It was very clear that whatever knee issue Brady had it was not causing him this great deal of pain and discomfort. He was RUNNING on that bad knee.

It's called toughness. And pills.

 

[crawhammer]

Plenty of players get surgery. As Dr. Chao said

I'm all set with Dr. Chao on this topic. You can listen to a guy who has ZERO direct information because it suits your transparent agenda.

 

[crawhammer]

And remember the time Mahomes won a super bowl on a high ankle sprain

Fraud.
Patrick Mahomes: 2x Super Bowl champion*

 

[TB12TheGoat]

Brady’s incomplete bomb to Moss on the 2nd to last play of 42 was a lot more impressive than Mahomes incompletion in 55

oh, he also did it on a REAL high ankle sprain

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady’s incomplete bomb to Moss on the 2nd to last play of 42 was a lot more impressive than Mahomes incompletion in 55

oh, he also did it on a REAL high ankle sprain

That's because you don't know football. Even the Bucs players in the super bowl were in awe of Mahomes. They knew he had 3 backup offensive linemen protecting him in that game. Chris Godwin: "He's a magician."

 

[BTTA]

2023 NFL Super Bowl era franchise rankings: Chiefs continue rise with Super Bowl win

With another Super Bowl title, the Kansas City Chiefs move up the rankings. Where do they stand compared to the rest of the league?

theathletic.com

 

[crawhammer]

That's because you don't know football. Even the Bucs players in the super bowl were in awe of Mahomes. They knew he had 3 backup offensive linemen protecting him in that game. Chris Godwin: "He's a magician."

You're really grasping at straws now.

 

[Steve102]

2023 NFL Super Bowl era franchise rankings: Chiefs continue rise with Super Bowl win

With another Super Bowl title, the Kansas City Chiefs move up the rankings. Where do they stand compared to the rest of the league?

theathletic.com

Behind a paywall.

 

[The Brandon Five]

You're really grasping at straws now.

Now?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You're really grasping at straws now.

I just posted the video. Why don't you click "play" and watch Evans and Godwin salivate over Mahomes. Never heard anyone call Brady a "magician" before.

 

[The Brandon Five]

I just posted the video. Why don't you click "play" and watch Evans and Godwin salivate over Mahomes. Never heard anyone call Brady a "magician" before.

Godwin plays on offense, so not sure that he is as good of a judge as a defender. Like Joey Bosa:

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Godwin plays on offense, so not sure that he is as good of a judge as a defender. Like Joey Bosa:

So a player on offense is not a good judge of another player on offense. Therefore, a WR like Godwin cannot comment or be credible as to how good another WR or QB is. Got it.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Tom Brady is a magician.

 

[crawhammer]

Never heard anyone call Brady a "magician" before.

Brady just gets called the GOAT. By everyone except you and a few other jackasses.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady just gets called the GOAT. By everyone except you and a few other jackasses.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Mute button activated.

 

[crawhammer]

Stupid question. They should have made the timeframe clear. You can tell from the comments that people were interpreting it differently. Some people voted Mahomes because he's "more talented physically" which doesn't mean he's better or the GOAT. Some voted on who's "better" right now which based on what we saw this season is Mahomes. Some went with GOAT status and most of those commenting here were agreeing it's Brady.

Show me poll results for the specific question: "which QB is the greatest of all time"? Then we can have a relevant conversation.

 

[1960Pats]

But it's funnier over here. It's like stopping for a visit at a cross between a carnival freak show and a masturbatory peep show.

Trying to have a genuine conversation is futile, of course. But stopping to marvel at the spectacle is different.

This is the most hilarious forum ever.

What makes it so much fun is that however much Goody & the 32, as well as the mediots, pump up Mahomes, KC and Reid, and how well they're actually doing, it still falls short of what Brady, NE and Bill have done.

Mahomes, KC and Reid need to go some to catch up to 2nd place, which right now is occupied by Montana, SF and Walsh.

 

[1960Pats]

And Brady was playing with a torn MCL (unknown to the public). Mahomes had a minor ankle sprain and he carried on like a whiny *****.

That's another thing I like about Brady. He doesn't act like he's hurt even when he is.

Meanwhile, in KC they go on and on about injuries that aren't there.