The Evil Patriots Empire is back!

[Thelonious]

Checked out the Bills' message boards. There's a certain amount of whining and excuse-making and sour grapes and so on about the Pats, but it's nowhere like the rage-filled psychosis to be found the Gang Green or other Jets forums for years now.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Last year, Jayden Daniels was the flavor of the year. Like Maye is right now.

CJ Stroud was the man who won OROY and had 2 solid seasons. Not many people are praising him in year 3 as before.

Fortunes can change overnight and hopefully that does not happen to Maye.

Stroud will get the bag and Texans might immediately regret it. But there is a shortage of good QB's.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Is anyone more confident in Maye that he is performing this well in year 2 (after looking good in year 1). Compared to if this was his rookie year and he looked this good?

Many QB's have looked good in year one and then seen a regression. But to go from good in year 1 to MVP level in year 2 is something entirely different.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don’t think people hate the actual players and coaches the way they used to. Not even “think” they obviously don’t. At this point it’s more just like a meme to say Pats fans don’t deserve another good QB. People will always hate Boston fans but the hate for the organization is far from back. No one thinks the team is a villain, they just think all of us fans are assholes.

Deserve has nothing to do with it, you get who you take, for good or bad. The teams that build the best win the most. It doesn't get any more complicated than that.

 

[maust]

No one thinks the team is a villain,

No one thinks the team is a villain... yet
Let's not forget the Pats started out The Run as the little team that could. 345 Park Ave and the MSM worked hard to cast them as The Evil Empire

...they just think all of us fans are assholes.

Which is okay, nobody wasted more than a moment thinking about us one way or the other when the team sucked.
Besides we know damn right well no more than 3/4's of us are assholes

 

[maust]

Deserve has nothing to do with it, you get who you take, for good or bad. The teams that build the best win the most. It doesn't get any more complicated than that.

I think the 'deserve' bit is said more or less by way of speaking to what the Pats 'deserve' out of the football Gods.
Which longtime Pats fans know is BS, we did our penance in advance and wandered our particular desert for decades under 1st the Sullivans then Kiam. Not to mention the constant threat the team would be moved throughout the first 40 years of its existence. Not that anyone 'deserved' that 20 year run but if someone was going to get it then it was only karmically fitting that it be Pats fans.

Let's be honest, if the Browns were sold to someone less slimy than Haslam (grated, not that hard) and had a dynastic run would any of us birch they didn't 'deserve' it?

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think the 'deserve' bit is said more or less by way of speaking to what the Pats 'deserve' out of the football Gods.
Which longtime Pats fans know is BS, we did our penance in advance and wandered our particular desert for decades under 1st the Sullivans then Kiam. Not to mention the constant threat the team would be moved throughout the first 40 years of its existence. Not that anyone 'deserved' that 20 year run but if someone was going to get it then it was only karmically fitting that it be Pats fans.

Let's be honest, if the Browns were sold to someone less slimy than Haslam (grated, not that hard) and had a dynastic run would any of us birch they didn't 'deserve' it?

I wouldn't. They have suffered a long time. However sports are a meritocracy, so you get what you earn, and that's how it should be.

 

[Salsalife]

The league does not want the Empire to return... I'm just tickled over Jets and Bills fans...Jets are crashing out and the Bills are on pins and needles. Listen to midnite Mike the Jets fan..we are so lucky...

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

No one thinks the team is a villain... yet
Let's not forget the Pats started out The Run as the little team that could. 345 Park Ave and the MSM worked hard to cast them as The Evil Empire




Which is okay, nobody wasted more than a moment thinking about us one way or the other when the team sucked.
Besides we know damn right well no more than 3/4's of us are assholes

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I think the 'deserve' bit is said more or less by way of speaking to what the Pats 'deserve' out of the football Gods.
Which longtime Pats fans know is BS, we did our penance in advance and wandered our particular desert for decades under 1st the Sullivans then Kiam. Not to mention the constant threat the team would be moved throughout the first 40 years of its existence. Not that anyone 'deserved' that 20 year run but if someone was going to get it then it was only karmically fitting that it be Pats fans.

Let's be honest, if the Browns were sold to someone less slimy than Haslam (grated, not that hard) and had a dynastic run would any of us birch they didn't 'deserve' it?

Just remember that while our particular desert included heartbreak and tragedy, the Patriots did an awful lot of winning in the 60's, 70's & 80's, with a ton of terrific and heroic players. More than most other teams.

And, in all modesty, the Patriots' fan base, especially since moving to Foxborough, has always been loyal, faithful, passionate, tough and resilient. I guess we had to be.

 

[maust]

Just remember that while our particular desert included heartbreak and tragedy, the Patriots did an awful lot of winning in the 60's, 70's & 80's, with a ton of terrific and heroic players. More than most other teams.

And, in all modesty, the Patriots' fan base, especially since moving to Foxborough, has always been loyal, faithful, passionate, tough and resilient. I guess we had to be.

We've had this convo before good sir and you know I'm right there with you. Bucko Kilroy knew his stuff, if the Sullivans had something in their hearts besides larcenous intent and in their pockets besides holes we'd have a few more Lombardis in the trophy case.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I've been reading along for a few weeks.
So far I've heard:
Let's see how they do against us
Let's see how they do against Cleveland's D
Let's see how they do against ATL's top pass D
Let's see how they do against TB
...........
These are usually from the same few posters.
Every time the Pats pass test, they move the bar.
Just today I read "they will regress, their skilled guys are old and will wear down.....then a few posts later, Henderson is a rookie and young guys and will wear down.

It's a good comical read.

Another one for the books on TwoBillsDrive.

Re: Jamaar Chase spitting on Jalen Ramsey and facing a probable suspension

 

[Huckleberry1]

Go check out the thread they just started talking about "rest disadvantage days".
The excuses are reaching an all-time level.

That's all well and good, but remember that nothing says " WINNER" like making excuses. That's how greatness is forged.

 

[sb1]

Another one for the books on TwoBillsDrive.

Re: Jamaar Chase spitting on Jalen Ramsey and facing a probable suspension

 

[jdlboot14]

I don't want more excuses and depleted teams that prop us up to the division.
There were all kinds of excuses with the Tampa game - because of their missing pieces.
I'd love to see us play this top WR unit and see what we can do. Although, either way, we're getting a Dr. Flacco & Mr. Burrow that people will excuse away if we win.

 

[pazrul72]

One of my favorite comments I read went something like "of course the *bleeping* Patriots are back in contention after just a 5 year rebuild, when my team has been rebuilding since the invention of the camera phone. I hope every fan in Boston steps on a lego and has a pillow with TWO warm sides."

Mostly just appreciated the cleverness of the hopes being annoying but not crossing the line into whoa it's just football man.

 

[Nikolai]

I always felt like part of the "evil empire" mantra was a media invention to "get back" at BB for the way he treated the media. We were darlings until around 2004-2005. TFB was touted as that "goody two shoes" and all that (an image I recall him trying to dispel actually around 2004ish).

The problem was we had a very tense relationship with the media overall, we were blocking Fivehead and Rapistburger's paths to the Super Bowl, and the Pats were all about the team concept over individual accolades and star status (undermining the NFL hype machine).

So, the evil empire we became, solidified with a couple fake "gates" along the way.

Those are bullets I don't think can be credibly fired this time. Sure, Vrabel has history with the Pats, but the media loves him, everyone loves Drake Maye (and he's not running from any "goody" image), and any more "gates" are going to feel more like sour grapes.

The team, even with Diggs, is fairly uncontroversial. Henderson's interview with SVP just showed we've got another player who isn't going to give the controversial soundbite, not because he's been instructed to do so, but because that's just who he is.

I bathed in the hate and glory that came with being the Evil Empire, and if it goes that way again, so be it...but I'm not so sure that's going to happen this time.

 

[upstater1]

I always felt like part of the "evil empire" mantra was a media invention to "get back" at BB for the way he treated the media. We were darlings until around 2004-2005. TFB was touted as that "goody two shoes" and all that (an image I recall him trying to dispel actually around 2004ish).

The problem was we had a very tense relationship with the media overall, we were blocking Fivehead and Rapistburger's paths to the Super Bowl, and the Pats were all about the team concept over individual accolades and star status (undermining the NFL hype machine).

So, the evil empire we became, solidified with a couple fake "gates" along the way.

Those are bullets I don't think can be credibly fired this time. Sure, Vrabel has history with the Pats, but the media loves him, everyone loves Drake Maye (and he's not running from any "goody" image), and any more "gates" are going to feel more like sour grapes.

The team, even with Diggs, is fairly uncontroversial. Henderson's interview with SVP just showed we've got another player who isn't going to give the controversial soundbite, not because he's been instructed to do so, but because that's just who he is.

I bathed in the hate and glory that came with being the Evil Empire, and if it goes that way again, so be it...but I'm not so sure that's going to happen this time.

It only happens to dynasties. It will happen again if the Patriots win 2 Super Bowls in the next decade. Guaranteed.

 

[maust]

I always felt like part of the "evil empire" mantra was a media invention to "get back" at BB for the way he treated the media. We were darlings until around 2004-2005. TFB was touted as that "goody two shoes" and all that (an image I recall him trying to dispel actually around 2004ish).

The problem was we had a very tense relationship with the media overall, we were blocking Fivehead and Rapistburger's paths to the Super Bowl, and the Pats were all about the team concept over individual accolades and star status (undermining the NFL hype machine).

So, the evil empire we became, solidified with a couple fake "gates" along the way.

Those are bullets I don't think can be credibly fired this time. Sure, Vrabel has history with the Pats, but the media loves him, everyone loves Drake Maye (and he's not running from any "goody" image), and any more "gates" are going to feel more like sour grapes.

The team, even with Diggs, is fairly uncontroversial. Henderson's interview with SVP just showed we've got another player who isn't going to give the controversial soundbite, not because he's been instructed to do so, but because that's just who he is.

I bathed in the hate and glory that came with being the Evil Empire, and if it goes that way again, so be it...but I'm not so sure that's going to happen this time.

Every point well taken sir but nonetheless I fear it's a matter of...

 

[reflexblue]

Just remember that while our particular desert included heartbreak and tragedy, the Patriots did an awful lot of winning in the 60's, 70's & 80's, with a ton of terrific and heroic players. More than most other teams.

And, in all modesty, the Patriots' fan base, especially since moving to Foxborough, has always been loyal, faithful, passionate, tough and resilient. I guess we had to be.

The pats were called patsies in the late eighties and early nineties, the team was made to sound like they were inept for their entire history. But they had won a lot of games in the sixties, seventies,, and the first half of the eighties. Every team has these multie year letdowns and rebuilds.