The Drake Maye Discussion Thread

[sb1]

Some fans here want the student sky diver packing their chutes for them, want the apprentice carpenter building the house they’ve invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in, they want the rookie pilot flying the plane they’re riding in….

Why? Because they’re impatient fans and not football experts.

And if Maye went out in a game and had multiple false starts, missed passes because his receiver ran a different route and bumbled a couple snaps… the same armchair experts would blame the coaches for his failure.

#FanTakes

Nah I would blame Mac Jones it’s always his fault.

 

[gobesmug]

I have NO CHOICE but to throw the

ABSOLUTE F-ING BULLSH*T FLAG
on this one.

TB himself said he absolutely wasn’t ready to play the 2000-01 season. He gained 20 lb’s in muscle in the red-shirt season and off-season weight program.
He WAS QB 3 by the way that season and only worked up to #2 by year end. And was still behind the $100 mil man too (on a who gets paid; plays basis).
TB also spent the 2000 season in BB‘s film room studying w him. A starter likely doesn’t have that time to get tutored by HC.

IMO (if Bledsoe didn’t exist); and BB had started him year one; a broken Tom Brady becomes the Montreal Expos catcher in 2003 for 3 season and then sells life insurance in Cali.

Ridiculous take. To say Brady would have been better in 2001 if he had started in 2000 8s dumb.

It's beyond stupid to say he would have washed out had he started 2000.

Brady would have been the same regardless, only the fans perception of him the first few seasons would have changed.

 

[Zuma]

The poster suggested you should sit a qb because the pressure of playing with everyone watching would harm them.

The poster suggested rookie QB’s can struggle for many reasons…one of them being the intense scrutiny they receive for every single thing they do. Throwing a rookie QB into the fire without being mentally ready is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Ring 6]

Ridiculous take. To say Brady would have been better in 2001 if he had started in 2000 8s dumb.

It's beyond stupid to say he would have washed out had he started 2000.

Brady would have been the same regardless, only the fans perception of him the first few seasons would have changed.

He would have been better in 2001 if he played in 2000 because he would have gad a year experience. Brady’s career is testament to improving by playing.

 

[Ring 6]

The poster suggested rookie QB’s can struggle for many reasons…one of them being the intense scrutiny they receive for every single thing they do. Throwing a rookie QB into the fire without being mentally ready is a recipe for disaster.

The only way to get “mentally ready” to play football is to play football.

The poster I was responding to was talking about the single issue of being harmed because they can’t handle everyone watching, and gave Brady and Mahomes as examples, which is a ridiculous take.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Well it’s clearly not our goal this year since we left over 40 mill on the table.
Given the state of this team I think there are factors that are unique
1) we aren’t wining this year
2) we are playing for the future
3) we have invested than future in Maye
4) what’s best for Maye next year is what’s best for the team this year
The most important goal of the 2024 Patriots is developing Maye and you learn more under direction you do watching.


It’s a shame we are in this position and if we had been willing to spend the cap money maybe a few wins that experience could get you instead of a rookie would matter but the patriots chose to not do everything they could to compete this year.

I agree that realistically the team is not likely to have a winning record and that Maye developing into an elite QB is the key to the future. We differ in that I feel that developing the QB is part of a wholistic approach that includes developing the team culture. If nothing else the rest of the team will better deal with the ups and downs of a young QB if they are on board that he represents the best chance to win. They are less invested if they feel that the QB is managements pet who is not held to the same level of accountability as they are.

 

[Zuma]

The only way to get “mentally ready” to play football is to play football.

The poster I was responding to was talking about the single issue of being harmed because they can’t handle everyone watching, and gave Brady and Mahomes as examples, which is a ridiculous take.

Obviously Brady, Rodgers and Mahomes benefited from sitting their rookie year. It’s ridiculous to think otherwise…history is our proof.

 

[gobesmug]

He would have been better in 2001 if he played in 2000 because he would have gad a year experience. Brady’s career is testament to improving by playing.

Brady himself said he wasn't ready his first year. How much better do you expect Brady to be than winning the superbowl his first year starting in 01?

Yes Brady has a crazy work ethic, which is why he would have worked his butt off in the film room and gym regardless of whether he started 2000 or not.

If Maye isn't ready to start this year, it doesn't mean he is a bust and it doesn't ensure him being a future star.

 

[borg]

The only way to get “mentally ready” to play football is to play football.

Do you think all those sports psychologists employed by teams and players will voluntarily offer refunds?

 

[Ring 6]

I agree that realistically the team is not likely to have a winning record and that Maye developing into an elite QB is the key to the future. We differ in that I feel that developing the QB is part of a wholistic approach that includes developing the team culture. If nothing else the rest of the team will better deal with the ups and downs of a young QB if they are on board that he represents the best chance to win. They are less invested if they feel that the QB is managements pet who is not held to the same level of accountability as they are.

He is the future. He will be playing next year no matter what. Teams rally around going all in with their “savior” which in the NFL is exactly what a top 5 qb drafted by a 4 win team is.
I’d ask how you expect them to have coincidence in him if he is sitting behind a bad Qb while we win 3-4 games all season?
If they go to battle with him and see his talent and work ethic and commitment he is their guy.
If he can’t do that, he’s not the right guy.

I’m working from the assumption he is the right guy and what is best if he is.
The sit Maye crowd seem to think he sucks and can’t handle the job. If that’s the case it doesn’t really matter what you do, so might as well find out now.

 

[Ring 6]

Brady himself said he wasn't ready his first year. How much better do you expect Brady to be than winning the superbowl his first year starting in 01?

Yes Brady has a crazy work ethic, which is why he would have worked his butt off in the film room and gym regardless of whether he started 2000 or not.

If Maye isn't ready to start this year, it doesn't mean he is a bust and it doesn't ensure him being a future star.

I agree he wasn’t ready. I didn’t say he should have played. I said if he did he would have developed faster.

Do you think that because he won the SB he was perfect? That he didn’t improve from sept to the SB? That he never improved after that Sb?

QBs improve by playing.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

He is the future. He will be playing next year no matter what. Teams rally around going all in with their “savior” which in the NFL is exactly what a top 5 qb drafted by a 4 win team is.
I’d ask how you expect them to have coincidence in him if he is sitting behind a bad Qb while we win 3-4 games all season?
If they go to battle with him and see his talent and work ethic and commitment he is their guy.
If he can’t do that, he’s not the right guy.

I’m working from the assumption he is the right guy and what is best if he is.
The sit Maye crowd seem to think he sucks and can’t handle the job. If that’s the case it doesn’t really matter what you do, so might as well find out now.

You are making the discussion too black and white. Expecting that Maye earn the job does not mean that I want him to sit by default or that I think that he can't handle the job. Maye seems like he has a good head on his shoulders so I am comfortable that he will be able to handle either scenario. Zack Wilson on the other hand, was given the job without earning it and never felt any accountability to the detriment of his team and his career.

Thank you for your replies, it is ok not to agree.

 

[Wozzy]

Nah I would blame Mac Jones it’s always his fault.

 

[Ring 6]

You are making the discussion too black and white. Expecting that Maye earn the job does not mean that I want him to sit by default or that I think that he can't handle the job. Maye seems like he has a good head on his shoulders so I am comfortable that he will be able to handle either scenario. Zack Wilson on the other hand, was given the job without earning it and never felt any accountability to the detriment of his team and his career.

Thank you for your replies, it is ok not to agree.

But the Jets did the right thing with Wilson. They found out right away that he wasn’t the guy.

If this team had any chance to win this year, or even if it had given an honest effort to try to win, I’d consider more than just what is the best for Maye’s development.
But the more reps he gets in 2024 (both with the 1s on the practice field and in games) the further along his development will be at the start of 2025. If the organization effectively gave up on 2024, that should be the priority.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Obviously Brady, Rodgers and Mahomes benefited from sitting their rookie year. It’s ridiculous to think otherwise…history is our proof.

Can we say that history is the proof that Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, J Allen, and Roethlisberger all benefited from starting their rookie year?

There is no right and wrong. Some QBs sat and some QBs played. Some QBS that sat worked out but others that sat were YAGs. Some QBs that played their rookie year worked out and others that played their rookie year were YAGs. There is no historical right or wrong.

 

[Ring 6]

Can we say that history is the proof that Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, J Allen, and Roethlisberger all benefited from starting their rookie year?

There is no right and wrong. Some QBs sat and some QBs played. Some QBS that sat worked out but others that sat were YAGs. Some QBs that played their rookie year worked out and others that played their rookie year were YAGs. There is no historical right or wrong.

It’s about the player. Good players didn’t become good or bad players didn’t become bad by playing vs sitting.
Over the course over their career it doesn’t really matter.
The issue is that there is a part of development that cannot happen without playing while the bullets are flying. So the sooner you play the sooner you develop and the further along the curve you are.
This discussion is really about 2025, and perhaps a better way to phrase it is do you want him to working through the growing pains in the throw away season so next year can be competitive or do you want to push those growing pains into 2025 and effectively give up on that season as well.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

But the Jets did the right thing with Wilson. They found out right away that he wasn’t the guy.

If this team had any chance to win this year, or even if it had given an honest effort to try to win, I’d consider more than just what is the best for Maye’s development.
But the more reps he gets in 2024 (both with the 1s on the practice field and in games) the further along his development will be at the start of 2025. If the organization effectively gave up on 2024, that should be the priority.

Not forcing an obviously immature player to earn the starting job was not the right thing. It squandered two years of ZW's career and doomed the entire team to failure. Based on what I have read, the experience taught him some humility and changed his approach. I would like to see him turn things around in Denver. If for no other reason than further humiliating the Jests.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Why are we debating whether a 6th round pick should've played over Drew Bledsoe who was still regarded as one of the best QB's in the NFL despite his declining season in 1999?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

It’s about the player. Good players didn’t become good or bad players didn’t become bad by playing vs sitting.
Over the course over their career it doesn’t really matter.
The issue is that there is a part of development that cannot happen without playing while the bullets are flying. So the sooner you play the sooner you develop and the further along the curve you are.
This discussion is really about 2025, and perhaps a better way to phrase it is do you want him to working through the growing pains in the throw away season so next year can be competitive or do you want to push those growing pains into 2025 and effectively give up on that season as well.

I do not think it is a straight line. A lot of sports is about confidence. Some guys are naturally confident and shrug off failure while others have a more difficult time forgetting the last bad play. So can a QB's confidence take an unrecoverable hit being thrown into the fire their rookie year? Someone could also argue that a QB who can not shake off mistakes (mentally weak) will never be a NFL QB in any scenario. Who knows. My opinion is that learning the QB position seems to work sitting or playing. I am in no hurry with a position that lasts 15 years.

 

[Ring 6]

I do not think it is a straight line. A lot of sports is about confidence. Some guys are naturally confident and shrug off failure while others have a more difficult time forgetting the last bad play. So can a QB's confidence take an unrecoverable hit being thrown into the fire their rookie year? Someone could also argue that a QB who can not shake off mistakes (mentally weak) will never be a NFL QB in any scenario. Who knows. My opinion is that learning the QB position seems to work sitting or playing. I am in no hurry with a position that lasts 15 years.

I think the player is the player. If you can’t handle making mistakes that’s about you not when they happened. You can’t break a guy who will spend his career dealing with adversity by exposing him to adversity. You can figure out whether he can handle it or not. Carrying a clipboard for a while doesn’t change whether he can. You don’t develop confidence on the bench.